On 07/24/2010 03:27 PM, Raymond Wold wrote:
Hyperbole is not the same as bias. Would you say that atari-go is go? What about a game with time limits of half a second per move, is that go? Playing on a 5x5 board, is that go? It turns into something different, with other measures of skill. Perhaps technically still go, but the essence is lost.
We're talking about a 7 game match on 19x19 with long time controls. To claim that this is not Go is ridiculous.
Oh of course it is an advance. I would just find it a lot more impressive if the worst weaknesses have also been eliminated.
One milestone at a time. This bet was made in 1997 under agreed upon conditions. I'm looking forward to it.
And still no one will give me a straight answer. DO all the top program now in existence have exploitable flaws far (lets say at least a few stones in rank) below their claimed rank or server-calculated rating?
I don't think there's a clear answer. Surely the moyo-oriented style might catch some people off-guard, but I don't know if there's an obvious, repeatable way to beat the program if you're a few stones weaker.
If I have to investigate this myself, which program should I start with?
Zen19 has been ranked at 1d or above on KGS for awhile now. So has ManyFaces1. I'm sure there are repeat players if you want to look for exploitations:
http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=Zen19 http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=ManyFaces1
I'm at best 2 kyu (probably more likely a weak 3 kyu, European) - if programs are now challenging for amateur shodan status, will I be able to find a program that can beat me most of the time until I have advanced to shodan myself?
It probably depends on how your computer hardware. I don't think Zen is available for commercial distribution yet. You can buy Many Faces or see how well you do against Fuego for free.
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