it is certainly easier to see this in the case where probability comes into play.
the assumption that a strong enough player can't lose against a weak enough player is the one that i'm pointing out. so i agree with the point that poker has likely a smaller elo range than go. i disagree that "it is impossible" for a strong player to lose to a weak player at go. i think as a 8kyu i beat a 5dan on a 13x13 board in a simul session. things happen. people get distracted, do things to lower their skill level (for all i know, he was blind drunk, it was online, he was playing lots of other games and probably didn't give mine the attention that he should have because of my "official rating"). it has absolutely nothing to do with being a game of perfect information. even pros do not have access to perfect play strategies (which *could*, by way of comparison be played blind drunk), so they can lose. to anyone. s. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Christoph Birk <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, steve uurtamo wrote: >>> >>> Wouldn't by that definition Poker become a very simple game? >>> Due to the large "luck factor" even a skilled player wins >>> only by a relatively small margin against a weaker player. >>> Even a pro can loose on a bad day against a beginner. This >>> is not possible in a perfect information game like chess >>> or go. > > >> actually, it is possible in a perfect information game like chess or go. >> it's not possible if you know perfect strategy, but it's always >> possible otherwise. > > Do we have a miss-understanding? > I wrote that it is impossible for a good player to lose against > a bad player in a perfect information game (eg. go), but > a good play can loose in a game where some luck is involved. > > Christoph > _______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > [email protected] > http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > _______________________________________________ Computer-go mailing list [email protected] http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
