Pondering is just a kind of time management (using opponent's time). So, it can be verified that if your program performs better with more thinking time (or playouts, in other words), then it should also be stronger with pondering "plus a moderate hit rate". That is to say, if your program is not able to guess any move of a much stronger or weaker program, then pondering of course does not help completely. But if it is, it should become stronger as if more thinking time/search amount is available.
Aja ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Shawul To: Aja ; [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen! I have two forms of pondering (thinking like the opponent OR predicting opponent move and thinking for ours). None of them brought me significant benefit which i suspect is due to the vast amount of good options and the fact that MC can pick any of them randomly. On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Aja <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Ingo, Time management algorithms, like pondering, is one of the major topics in my thesis. I have proved by the expeirments, though with fast time setting, that pondering brings a lot of strength. Aja -----原始郵件----- From: "Ingo Althöfer" Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen! Did or can you make self-play experiments with MF, the copies running on two different machines? - one with pondering - the other without Perhaps such experiments also on smaller board sizes (9x9, 11x11, 13x13) might give insights on scaling. Ingo (is not a programmer, but wants to know everything from the programmers) Von: "David Fotland" <[email protected]> I didn’t test pondering, so I have no answer for you. I just make the computer's move and do a search for the opponent while he is thinking, and hope there is some interesting cached data after he makes his move. I don’t have a tree, just a huge transposition table, so anything useful that happens to be searched will still be there. David -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone _______________________________________________ Computer-go mailing list [email protected] http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go _______________________________________________ Computer-go mailing list [email protected] http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
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