The "exactly the same code" requirement is kind of silly. People get better and 
worse over time, as do bots with changing code. The only real issue I see is if 
a bot enters with a serious bug that then gets fixed. 

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On Aug 9, 2011, at 7:22 PM, David Doshay <[email protected]> wrote:

> At the Portland Congress the situation reared its ugly (in minds of some 
> folks at the meeting) head. Alan, the President of the AGA is fine with 
> developing a procedure for ranking bots. At that time it was suggested that 
> AGA members with solid ratings would volunteer to play bots a fixed number of 
> times to set their rank. I tried to get people on this list involved in the 
> testing of bots for this purpose, but there were no volunteers. 
> 
> I believe that the previous head of the ratings system (who was pretty 
> strongly against rating programs) is no longer in that position. He raised 
> issues about "exactly the same code that was ranked" and was not receptive to 
> the idea that people make adjustments to the way they view the game too.
> 
> Are there enough ranked AGA members on this list that I can raise the issue 
> within the AGA again and we can get some bots rated this time? Are authors 
> interested enough in getting AGA ratings to do this? 
> 
> I am willing to be the point person on this effort if there is enough desire 
> to make it happen.
> 
> Cheers,
> David
> 
> 
> 
> On 9, Aug 2011, at 4:04 PM, terry mcintyre wrote:
> 
>> Why not ask for volunteers with known AGA ratings to play games in KGS under 
>> tournament conditions with the top bots? You can use the KGS playing 
>> interface without trusting the KGS rating system. 
>> 
>> Terry McIntyre <[email protected]>
>> 
>> Unix/Linux Systems Administration
>> Taking time to do it right saves having to do it twice.
> 
>> From: David Doshay <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 6:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Computer-go] KGS highest rank Bot
>> 
>> ...
>> At this time games played against bots do not have any effect upon your AGA 
>> ranking. The problem from the perspective of the guy who was in charge of 
>> the AGA ranking system is that there is no uniform way of giving a program 
>> its rating. He is completely against using KGS ratings because on the 
>> internet people can hide behind fake names and can game their ratings in 
>> various ways.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> David
> 
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