On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:22 PM, David Doshay <[email protected]> wrote:
> At the Portland Congress the situation reared its ugly (in minds of some > folks at the meeting) head. Alan, the President of the AGA is fine with > developing a procedure for ranking bots. At that time it was suggested that > AGA members with solid ratings would volunteer to play bots a fixed number > of times to set their rank. I tried to get people on this list involved in > the testing of bots for this purpose, but there were no volunteers. > > I believe that the previous head of the ratings system (who was pretty > strongly against rating programs) is no longer in that position. He raised > issues about "exactly the same code that was ranked" and was not receptive > to the idea that people make adjustments to the way they view the game too. > I don't see how that is a problem. "Exactly the same code" is not a serious limitation is it? Even if you make improvement every day to the program it makes sense to play the same version and get it rated, then introduce a new version and get it rated later. It takes a few months to provide a substantial improvement and it's possible that you will introduce a serious bug than makes it significantly weaker along the way and just needlessly feed rating points to people. > > Are there enough ranked AGA members on this list that I can raise the issue > within the AGA again and we can get some bots rated this time? Are authors > interested enough in getting AGA ratings to do this? > > I am willing to be the point person on this effort if there is enough > desire to make it happen. > > Cheers, > David > > > > On 9, Aug 2011, at 4:04 PM, terry mcintyre wrote: > > > Why not ask for volunteers with known AGA ratings to play games in KGS > under tournament conditions with the top bots? You can use the KGS playing > interface without trusting the KGS rating system. > > > > Terry McIntyre <[email protected]> > > > > Unix/Linux Systems Administration > > Taking time to do it right saves having to do it twice. > > > From: David Doshay <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 6:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] KGS highest rank Bot > > > > ... > > At this time games played against bots do not have any effect upon your > AGA ranking. The problem from the perspective of the guy who was in charge > of the AGA ranking system is that there is no uniform way of giving a > program its rating. He is completely against using KGS ratings because on > the internet people can hide behind fake names and can game their ratings in > various ways. > > > > Cheers, > > David > > _______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > [email protected] > http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >
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