In todays categorization of the terms, in general, I consider conservatives to believe in limited government involvement in our lives and liberals to want more, especially at the federal level. Thus the battles over National Health Care, federal funding of all kinds of social programs, using the tax code to redistribute wealth, etc.

In that regard, I would consider the founding fathers to be conservative, not liberal. They wrote a Constitution to explicitly provide enumerated services like banking, coinage, and a military. The Bill of Rights are PROHIBITIONS on what the federal government can do (Congress shall make no law...) and they tried to further limit its powers with the 10th Amendment (The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people) but it only lasted until 1837. Never repealed but de facto repealed by the courts.

I will give you India. Thanks.

But I think it is hard to categorize todays use of liberal/conservative terminology to the 13th century. (And initially, the MC applied only to the King's Barons.)

In research, I found this definition of the term Liberal.

http://www.conservative-resources.com/definition-of-liberal.html

Now this is a conservative site, but please look at the first 6 items. I think it is fair and accurate to the classical meaning which we can all probably agree with. If you are a Modern Liberal, stop reading there (that means you, Tom), as its likely you will be offended by the remainder of the essay . (Conservative axe grinding)

b_s-wilk wrote:
Please give me an example where liberals did overthrow a government
and replaced it with a democratic one along the lines of the western
world.

That's easy; here's two. The United States--original 13 colonies. India, 1947, with work of Mahandas K. Gandhi. How about the Magna Carta in 1215 creating a nation of laws, not totally controlled by royal dictators.

Are you still confused?


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