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From: "Volokh, Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: More on recess appointments


>         I certainly agree with Sandy's descriptive claim that the Court is
> "capable of deciding that Article II doesn't control" here.  But that's a
> separate question from the normative claim of whether the Court should so
> decide.  That the Court may have decided the sovereign immunity cases in a
> way that's inconsistent with the text and the original meaning (if that is
> indeed so) doesn't mean that the Court ought to likewise set aside the
text
> and the original meaning in this instance (and I know of no evidence that
> the text and the original meaning differ here).
>
>         Moreover, as I understand the state sovereign immunity cases --
and
> I hasten to say that I'm not an expert on the history of the subject --
they
> are at least supported by a pretty long line of precedent going back to
Hans
> v. Louisiana and in some measure before, and there is at least some
> contemporaneous evidence (for instance, a statement in the Federalist)
that
> state sovereign immunity was meant to be preserved by the Constitution.
> That original meaning or traditional understanding may sometimes trump
text
> is one thing; it doesn't follow, it seems to me, that pretty general
> structure should trump a pretty specific text and traditional
understanding.
>
>         It seems to me that this is especially so with regard to questions
> such as who appoints high government officials, even temporary ones.  This
> seems to me to be the sort of question for which it's especially important
> to have a pretty definite answer.  The text provides a fairly definite
> answer; the history cements it; it seems to me that we should stick with
> that, despite the plausible structural arguments against it.
>
>         Recall, incidentally, that there's a plausible structural argument
> in favor of temporary appointments, too -- judicial vacancies can cause a
> pretty serious interference with federal business, and would have caused
> even more in the early Republic, where having judges from neighboring
courts
> sit by designation would have been much more difficult.
>
>         Eugene
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Levinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:58 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: More on recess appointments
> >
> >
> > David Wagner writes:
> >
> > Recess appointees look anomalous from a constitution-maker's
> > perspective, but the Constitution we actually have provides
> > for them (Art. II. Sec. 2, paragraph 3). The reference here
> > to "vacancies" presumably refers to the wide range of
> > officers listed in paragraph 2. Is there a textual argument
> > that paragraph 3 is inapplicable to Art. III judges?
> >
> >
> > I don't think there's a "textual" argument available, but so
> > what?  There's certainly a strong structural argument and now
> > a strong precedential argument, especially if one takes last
> > week's case seriously.  There is no more reason to read the
> > Article II text as "absolute" than there is, say, to read the
> > First Amendment or the Contract as absolute, whatever their
> > grammar (why doesn't "no law" mean "no law"?).  A court
> > capable of deciding the recent bunch of structural
> > federalism/no federal jurisdiction cases, in the teeth of the
> > language of the 11th amendment, is certainly capable of
> > deciding that Article II doesn't control with regard to
> > something so important as preserving judicial independence
> > and the appearance of same.  That recess appointments go way
> > back shouldn't count for this court.  After all, it had no
> > trouble saying that the Chisholm v. Georgia court simply
> > engaged in an obvious misunderstanding of the Constitution
> > (whatever the text) in upholding diversity juri!  sdiction,
> > so that, presumably, the 11th amendment was wholly unncessary
> > (except to reverse the court's inexplicably stupid decision).
> >
> > sandy
> >
>

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