Just to add a couple of thoughts Katherine triggered.   The piece count of a 
dance has a bearing on the tempo.  Higher the piece count, generally the slower 
the tempo and vice versa.  Also, I like to make clear up front my signals for 
speeding up or slowing down.   

Rich

> On Sep 5, 2024, at 8:43 AM, Katherine Kitching via Contra Callers 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>  Hi John (and everyone), just catching up on the listserv and went to your 
> "Callers and Music" page--
> 
> very helpful info there!
> I wish I had found it last year when I was looking for resources for this 
> caller-and-musician workshop that we did.
> 
> In particular, I had searched all over the internet last year for some clue 
> as to how many times through a typical improper duple contra dance would run, 
> and had a real hard time finding that info.
> 
> I had concluded that with 5 duples in a set (our usual), we might dance 
> through up to 17 times, which would take about 9 minutes at 117bpm..... so 
> that those who started at the top would get back to the top.
> 
> Do you think that's too long?
> 
> I was under the impression that in the US the lines are often longer than 5 
> duples, and that the convention was to dance long enough to let everyone 
> travel up and down the line the whole way....so I was thinking that in a 
> seasoned contra dance group the dance might go on 15 minutes or more?
> 
> Very curious about this now!
> 
> Kat Kitching in Halifax NS
> Sep 4, 2024 3:16:24 PM John Sweeney via Contra Callers 
> <[email protected]>:
> 
> Hi Seth,
>               Linda Game (English Contra Dance Band) ran a session for the 
> Irish musicians who were going to play for the first contra dance that we ran 
> in Paris.  I have put a copy of her notes at 
> https://contrafusion.co.uk/documents/LindaGameMusicianWorkshop.jpg - I hope 
> Linda won’t mind.
>               One interesting exercise that she did was to get four dancers 
> to do some Rory O’Mores to a Reel, then the same sequence to a Jig so that 
> the band could see the effect on the dancers.
>               This is meant for callers: 
> https://contrafusion.co.uk/CallersandMusic.html but you might find some 
> useful points there.
>               I have danced (ceilidh, but same challenge) to a band who 
> seemed to think that they were playing for a concert.  They put in extra 
> beats and ran improvisations across  the phrases.  They went so wild that you 
> couldn’t hear the phrasing.  It was fantastic to listen to, but a nightmare 
> to try to dance to!
>               It is crucial that the band understand that the dancers are 
> listening to the beat and the phrasing.  They especially want to hear the 
> beginning of A1 and B1 clearly and unambiguously.
>               Good luck!
>             Happy dancing,
>                    John                      
>                                    
> John Sweeney, Dancer, England   [email protected] 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 
> 574
> http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent            
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