Thank you Maia! This is great feedback and not an angle I'd thought
about before, I really appreciate it!
On 2025-04-03 15:36, Maia McCormick via Contra Callers wrote:
Definitely an intriguing dance! For what it’s worth, I foresee danger
in having both a standard (right) petro and a left petro in the same
dance. Since both of these moves start from basically a standstill,
there’s no momentum hint to remind dancers which one they’re supposed
to be doing – at best, you’ll get a lot of of people doing the wrong
one by accident, at worst there will be a lot of collisions.
If you’re going to do a left petro, I might suggest doubling down and
really making it the choreographic hook of your dance, because right
now it feels a bit like an afterthought. (And it’s sufficiently novel
that if you want people to do it right, it’ll behoove you to give them
lots of practice!)
Getting rid of the right petro would be a good start, but you could
also take it one step further and find another place to incorporate a
left petro (ideally with nice flow out of it so it feels like it’s
supposed to be there, and isn’t just arbitrary—you do a good job of
this with the existing left petro in here being followed by a RH pullby).
Feel free to ignore, of course, but that’s my two cents!
Cheers,
Maia in Brooklyn
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On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 1:16 PM Sam Whited via Contra Callers
<[email protected]> wrote:
That's a fair point, maybe I just drop the pull by entirely and
make it
a by the left and call it a day. It does feel nicer with hands to me,
but if it doesn't work it doesn't work.
Thanks,
Sam
On 2025-04-03 13:08, Alex Burka via Contra Callers wrote:
>
> You could do a cross trail through (i.e. two changes of a circular
> hey: pass P right, N left).
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2025, 12:12 PM Sam Whited via Contra Callers
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Whew, you scared me there!
>
>
> RE: the right hands, that makes sense to me, but since it
was outside
> hands (in a ring), I couldn't really swap hands (since the larks
> would
> have their right hand free, but the robin coming at them
would have
> their left hand free. I'll think more about that more; the ring
> balance
> felt good since you're coming out of a swing and already have
> hands with
> your neighbor, but it does rather break the flow of all the pull
> by's,
> so maybe I'll drop it.
>
> Thank you for the notes!
>
>
> —Sam
>
>
> On 2025-04-03 12:09, Tepfer, Seth via Contra Callers wrote:
> > 🤦🏻 Reading is not my forte. I completely missed the
final next
> > neighbor balance and petronella left.
> >
> > I have no issue with the balance and petronella left. That
will
> be fun.
> > There might be issues with the pass right pull by right -
having
> two
> > rights in a row.
> >
> >
> > Seth Tepfer, MBA, CSM, PMP (he, him, his)
> >
> > Senior IT Manager, Emory Primate Center
> >
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> > *From:* Sam Whited via Contra Callers
> > <[email protected]>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, April 3, 2025 12:04 PM
> > *To:* [email protected]
> > <[email protected]>
> > *Subject:* [Callers] Re: [External] New dance feedback
> > I believe you're improper during the progression (the pull by
> right to
> > next neighbors in the beginnig of B1), so the petronella left
> puts you
> > back in becket for the start of the dance, no? This is the
only
> thing
> > that's changed from last night so it's quite possible I've
> broken it,
> > but I'm going through it in my head and I think it's
equivalent
> to the
> > circle right 3 that used to be there (or at least, I can't
> figure out
> > how you'd be in becket at the end unless I've mis-typed
something
> > earlier in the dance that I'm not seeing).
> >
> >
> > —Sam
> >
> >
> > On 2025-04-03 12:00, Tepfer, Seth via Contra Callers wrote:
> > > B2 ends improper rather than becket. You need to get the
> > > larks/leads/gents to swap places and then a slide left
or yearn to
> > > progress.
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > > *From:* Sam Whited via Contra Callers
> > > <[email protected]>
> > > *Sent:* Thursday, April 3, 2025 11:39 AM
> > > *To:* Shared Weight Contra Callers
> > <[email protected]>
> > > *Subject:* [External] [Callers] New dance feedback
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I've got a dance in my sketchbook that I think is ready
for a
> bit of
> > > feedback after trying it with a small group of dancers last
> night, and
> > > I'm hoping to solicit some from more experienced
> choreographers before I
> > > call it again. I'm also open to name suggestions if you have
> any (I hate
> > > naming things)!
> > >
> > > Untitled, Duple becket
> > > A1. Neighbors balance across & pull by right, partner
pull by;
> shadows
> > > balance and box the gnat [1]
> > > A2. Pull by and partner swing
> > > B1. Balance and petronella; neighbor swing
> > > B2. Ring balance, pass partner by right [2], neighbor
pull by
> right;
> > > next neighbor balance and petronella left
> > >
> > > [1]: The shadow _balance_ in A1 is outside of your minor set
> along the
> > > lines.
> > > [2]: On the _pass by_ in B2 give a little tug on your
outside
> hands to
> > > get momentum. This is really another "pull by", but "pull by
> right with
> > > outside hands" is a mouthful and confused the
experienced dancers.
> > >
> > > A up-to-date version can be found here:
> > >
> >
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> > > Any thoughts, critiques, etc. that I can learn from would be
> > > appreciated. Thank you!
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> > > —Sam
> > >
> > >
> > > P.S. I originally had a balance before the neighbor
swing too,
> so the
> > > swing was effectively just switching sides. Maybe I should
> have called
> > > it a roll away and just had no neighbor swing, but the
experienced
> > > dancers were not pleased and wanted a full neighbor
swing so I
> caved
> > > even though the petronella into a swing feels a bit "smooth"
> compared to
> > > the rest of the dance; I could still go either way on
that one.
> > >
> > > P.P.S. I'm also aware that the petronella left is not common
> to say the
> > > least. I've seen it once or twice and always enjoyed it, but
> maybe it's
> > > best to steer clear? I originally had that as a circle
right 3 and
> > > figured that if the experienced dancers were already
going to be
> > > confused I might as well swap it for something where I
can fit
> a balance
> > > like the rest of the dance. I'm not sure if this logic
> actually makes
> > > sense, but it felt fun to me. Last night I called it
with the
> circle
> > > right, so that's the only part of the dance that hasn't been
> tried on
> > > real dancers.
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