<quote who="w9ya"> > On Wednesday 18 June 2003 04:27 am, Buchan Milne wrote:
>> >>find it easier as one. Personally I never use it since urpmi is my >> best freind now >> > >> > Oh yeah, teach them urmpi and command line...lol. >> >> Did Greg even vaguely suggest anyone else should use urpmi? Please, if >> you don't visit the list often (as you state), at least *read* the >> posts? > > Not nice. In hindsight, no ... > Now go do like your mother might suggest; and wash your mouth > out with soap. I have better things to do ... > Or i.e. yes, it was implied, otherwise why bring it up > in a discussion about newbies ? To indicate that he is not an authority on the uses and abuses of rpmdrake, since, like many cookers, he uses urpmi more than rpmdrake ... > Sorry if this sounds harse, but it was you that suggested that I > "..should at least *read* the posts" Did I miss something? >> >>I don't disagree with your points here. I was only trying to say >> that at one point, installing Windows software is now easy because >> people are >> >> used to it after all these years. At one point, they didn't know >> how to do it there either, but they had to learn. >> > >> > Well for the last 5 years or more, installing in Windows is point >> and >> >> click on >> >> > a single icon for downloaded programs. >> >> You mean on Windows I actually have to download files? How? Where? >> What if I don't like this one, where do I find another one? And if I >> can install it like that, can I uninstall it like that? And why, if I >> can uninstall everything in one place, can't I install everything from >> the same place? >> >> And what about files called .msi files? >> >> Anyway, on Mandrake, you can just double click on any rpm you >> downloaded, and it will install it, and anything it needs. >> >> Unfortunately, double clicking on an rpm on a CD still gives some >> problem .... > > Um, again we were discussing a newbie using the rpmdrake tools to > download, and additionally to use them as a basis to discover what > software might be installed. In that context, I will just have to > disagree with your assessment of the problem, as this concerns rpmdrake > and not a download sitting on a desktop or otherwise easily seen by a > user , logged in as such user. So packages on a CD don't count? Again, I do agree that users should be able to see what software is installed, but -kpackage does do this, as does gnorpm (if it will currently build or work with rpm-4.2) -The majority of software a user is going to use, they should be able to find quite quickly -You did claim windows was point-and-click-easy, so why does my girlfriend install software easily under Mandrake, but not under Windows? There is no global catalog of available software on Windows in any case. The real competition here IMHO is (from what I hear) Lindows (who has it easy AFAIK since they run as root so there never are any problems regarding rights etc) and possibly SuSE. Redhat also has a simple interface, that does also show you what is installed, but there it is definitely not fine-grained enough. Regards, Buchan
