Right now, mirror space requires that cooker-frozen be a beta tree for a 
while, but when the folks at Mandrakesoft find their time elapsed....  Then 
the tree becomes invalidated by their need to work on other architectures.

Let's face it.  Quality-at-all-costs dictates we expunge bugs forever before 
releasing a distro.  Practical considerations, such as the publication of 
paper documentation, box design and production, and industry windows for 
major production enter into this equation.  So that leaves us following a 
rush to find the big bugs before the DEADLINE.  And it is a deadline...  
dictated by the delicate balance between an open-source product and the need 
to have paid employees, office facilities, internet connections, computer 
equipment, and so on.  Unfortunately, we doing the testing do not have a good 
handle on when this deadline will occur.  

Moreover, we are not unified in our opinions of what constitutes a really big 
BUG.  For someone who rips CDs and prepares Mp3s for re-recording, the 
actions of msec at High security could be considered a major bug.  But for 
me, a show-stopper would be inability to access old windows files in FAT32 
partitions (We still have lots of data unconverted).  So, since we do not 
have a common front on what is major and what is minor, our opinions must be 
less credible than the opinions of those who work on the distro and are 
accountable to investors.  I am not saying this is right, just the way 
authority works.  

If Mandrake can be faulted in this process, it is more for their inability to 
communicate these considerations effectively to their beta-testers, 
documenters and corps of helpers.  Still, they have begun gathering DATA from 
users about their distro, and making decisions based on data does eventually 
lead to rebuilding oneself about the standard of quality first.

I believe it is appropriate to support and encourage that effort.  Bashing 
them for not including us in their decision loop may not be quite as 
productive.  We do not, after all, work at the company and cannot know all 
that influences the decision-making process.

Civileme




> I don't understand that comment.... so Cooker, when it starts to stabalize,
> doesn't go to a distro tree?
>
> Riyad Kalla
> Java Programmer
> Game Enthusiast
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ron Stodden
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 7:25 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Cooker] various comments
>
> Pixel wrote:
> > fortunately i'm gonna upload a new DrakX soon
>
> Pardon my pedanticism, but is this the signal for the preparation of
> two new beta iso files?  Remember that in the infinite wisdom* of
> some decision maker in MandrakeSoft the Cooker tree is no longer the
> distribution vehicle for the 7.1 beta.

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