On Wed, 07 Jun 2000, you wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Why Linux-Mandrake developers make very unstable final distributions?
>
> nice of you. Is that a compliment?
>
> >
> > I don't unterstand this. I sended several e-mail's with bugs
> > description in betas and nobody of developers ansvers me, this bugs
> > are in final version to.
>
> either these bugs are not show-stoppers and no-one bothered fixing them (and
> fixed was not provided), or maybe this come from a buggy download?
>
> > What's is your problems, Linux-Mandrake developers?
>
> say, you wanna fight or what? come then ;p
>
> >
> > In my oppinion linux MUST be stable, otherwise very people has
> > disapointed?
>
> seems very stable to me (i had 45 days uptime on my devel-box, only pb came from
> my moving the machine and AGP slot unslotted that froze X... and even with this,
> linux continued to go on!)
>
>
> Say, i'm gonna analyse what you post and tell why you got not a lot of answers.
>
> # If this bugs wil be not fixed, I can't use Linux Mandrake 7.1 and switch to Suse
> # 6.4, whith works fine on my system.
>
> yelling that way won't make people move faster. Even more when the guy post in
> html using outlook express (guess what score you get with my gnus ;p)
>
> # In my opinion Linux Mandrake 7.1 beta 3 is very unstable (Mandrake 7.0-2 too)
> # and we must very hard work to fix these problems, otherwise Linux Mandrake los
> # many potential users (for example me).
>
> telling such lies is no good too.
>
> # 1. Text installer displays no lithuanian symbols (if I use graphical installer
> # all is OK and after install i see all lithuanian symbols in console)
>
> text installer is not a priority. But it was taken into account. Should be fixed
> in DrakX in cooker now (or will be soon). So this is no way "very unstable"
>
> #
> # 2. when I try to mount any partition (exclude linux swap) I got this error:
> # * warning: prijungimas nepavyko: No such file or directory at
> # /usr/bin/perl-install/fs.pm line 209.
> # (in lithuanian 'prijungimas nepavyko' mean 'mount not successfull' or
> # something)
> #
> # It happened in all previous betas also, but error was at line 208:
> # * warning: prijungimas nepavyko: No such file or directory at
> # /usr/bin/perl-install/fs.pm line 208.
>
> i did have a look at this. I was not able to reproduce/understand.
>
> #
> # 3. If I try setup remote printer (on ethernet LAN) installer fully hangs and
> # only reset helps me :( (keyboard not work)
> #
> # 4. after install, when starting Mandrake 7.1 beta3 system fully hangs (last
> # message is about eth0 or something) and again only reset helps me :(
>
> this kind of stuff (3. & 4.) is hardware (aka kernel) pb. Very hard to fix.
> in those cases, only *you* can fix it. Aka try different kernel options to find
> the one that causes the pb.
> this didn't happen anywhere here.
>
> # 5. I have Intel 810e onboard video, but XF86 4.0 does not start :(
>
> XF4 is no priority. We've got enough pb with XF3.3.6!
>
>
> cu Pixel (who really thinks 7.1 is the best distrib on earth, and maybe more).
--
I am still fairly new to the linux community (only been using it for about 6-7
months now), but I've had to do enough with it here at work that I've gotten
decent with it now. I setup a BootP server before Y2K on Mandrake. I've
rebooted it twice since then (only because I didn't know how to restart the
inetd daemon). I was running the Mandrake 7.0-2 installation on my desktop at
work and at home. The few times I have had it lock up were because of my not
knowing what I am doing, it had nothing to do with it's stability. The fact
that it has not locked up with some of the strain I put it through is a measure
of how stable it IS.
I upgraded to the 7.1 beta 3 recently and only had 2 irritations: 1) my
voodoo banshee card started freaking out again (had it fixed in 7.0 and took me
2 days to get it fixed in 7.1 b3), but this has nothing to do with Mandrake
itself, the system ran great ..... 2) The extension CD would not install more
than a few of the packages (I have since then downloaded the RPMs independantly
and made another CD instead of using the image and also read the message about
that .iso not working correctly anyway). #2 was directly related to Mandrake
... but only the release, not the build or its stability.
All in all, I have been extremely happy with Linux, and Mandrake
especially. And from my limited time in this "culture" I have come to see the
fact that there will always be problems. Not because some programmer didn't do
it write the first time, but because this OS gives everyone the opportunity to
add their own code to it and to advance on what previous programs and
programmers could do. Linux beats Windows because the people that use it care
about it, not just for an OS that is more stable, but because they have the
chance to make it a part of themselves and fix any errors they find. From what
I've seen, bugs in Linux don't mean you should just go complaining about it.
You have the tools, do something about it.
Sorry about the rambling, but I can't stand seeing people go back to
the way MS runs things. If you have a bug, tell them. If enough people
complain, maybe they'll make a patch. One of the greatest things that makes
Linux work is that people fix the problems themselves and then help others to
fix the same problem, you don't have to wait on an over worked programmer to do
it for you.
---
Jamie Gilmer
IS Technical Specialist
Oconee Memorial Hospital
"[W]atch where you go
once you have entered here, and to whom you turn!
Do not be misled by that wide and easy passage!"
And my Guide [said] to him: "That is not your concern;
it is his fate to enter every door.
This has been willed where what is willed must be,
and is not yours to question. Say no more."
-Dante Alighieri, _The Inferno_
Translated by John Ciardi
