Civileme wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Jun 2000, you wrote:
> > Christian Zoffoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Why Linux-Mandrake developers make very unstable final distributions?
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > >
> > > I'm agree with you!! :-(
> >
> > as far as i searched through cooker, you didn't have a lot of bug to report, do
> > you?
>
> Hmmmph!
>
> This is an excellent distro. If XFree86 version 4 doesn't work with crappy
> i810 chipsets which have given xfreee.org developers headaches for a long time,
> so be it. Be thankful that you have a distro which can deal with agpgart.o in
> a sane fashion on a more or less stable (3.3.6) XFree distro.
>
> and ATA-66 hard drive optimisations don't work for some drives? I have been
> periodically posting drive brands to avaoid because the hardware is behind the
> specs and would have stayed there forever if people did not start issuing
> systems with code fitted to the processors.
>
> Now with RedHat you get one release to look at and no feedback. With most
> other distros you get less than that. This is the one that threw open their
> doors wide as their marketing people would let them to give you a glimpse of
> the process like no other.
>
> I report bugs, and they may message back if it is significant to the distro and
> if they are able to reproduce what I am talking about. I don't receive
> responses on every bug I report. I also try to treat the process with respect
> and retest several times with different parameters to make as sure as I can that
> the problem isn't between the chair and the keyboard.
>
> Mandrake pushes the envelope, allowing us a glimpse of things to come. XFree86
> 4.0 is not ready for prime time and was offered with a message that it might
> not have a stable driver for your graphics card. I tried it and found some
> hits and some better left at 3.3.6 Even using the 3.3.6 driver I have managed
> to squeeze from the STOCK distro, with none of my tweaking, performance I have
> NEVER been able to get before--32 bit 1024x768 from some PCI interfaces. OTOH,
> with 4.0 I did find reduced performance with some of the chipsets.
>
> K disk free isn't there but K File System Control is (Well there's a bug--what
> a mouthful--it's hard to say so it must be a bug ;-} ) and it accomplishes the
> same thing. But there seems to be the equivalent of emacs vs vi on this one
> point..
>
> For the sake of sanity, your own as well as others, THINK before you type.
> With most distros you don't have a place to participate at all, and certainly
> nothing like this. Remember to season your own frucstration with gratitude
> that we are given this great setup, and that we'll usually be humored and even
> offered a fight ;-}.
>
> The biggest problem I see in the distro may have been caused more by the switch
> to perl 5.6.0 in the middle of the process--some things seem to happen
> differently. That and ldconfig which the folk are working on. And finally,
> the out of memory type things when someone doesn't make a swap. I think I
> would favor "user is a twit" as the error message. I admire your restraint.
>
> Pixel, Chmouel, Daouda, Guillaume, David, Denis, and the rest of the crew over
> there.... you done good.(To use a vernacular American phrase). I am sorry you
> have to read bashing you do not deserve but I am very glad you will continue
> your openness and continue to develop the world's best software.
>
I second that. If the RPMs and configuration files are done correctly, MandrakeSoft
and its developers can not be blamed for bugs/missing features/problems/quirks in
software that they are not personally writing. Keep up the great work.
-matthew porter
