-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 FACORAT Fabrice wrote: > Le jeu 23/10/2003 � 10:25, Frederic Crozat a �crit : > >>And if people were reporting bugs/responding to queries DURING the >>beta/RC period, more bugs would be fixed BEFORE final release... > > > excuse me, but most people will test during RC period, but the problem > was you release ... how many ... 2 RC !
This was known long in advance: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseInfo#Schedule_estimation_WarLy > after RC2 there were many bugs > remaining to fix, and some people could not install RC2 on their > computer. I can't remember any bugs which prevented installation of RC2. Maybe you have bug numbers? > When i could see that some people were beginning to install > RC2, they had many problems with screensavers, etc ... IIRC this problem is not in RC2. > Yesterday I contact konica because I had a problem with a printer. The > technician in order to test the printer under linux as I was using mdk > install ... RC2 ( yes that's the last one available ). Well, RC2 is mostly OK. > Have you have a look at RC of OO.org ? You were able to release a RC > with mdk 9.2 because there was practically no differences between the > final RC and the final version. Have you looked at samba? They release 25 alphas, 3 betas, and 5 RCs, and there are still some big bugs in 3.0.0 (which is why we have 3.0.1pre1 in cooker, it's more stable ...). Why? Simply because people don't like to test software which isn't marked as stable on production machines, so some bugs don't get found. But, if there is a hard deadline (as there was sufficiently in advance for Mandrake 9.2), then if you are going to bother testing, you must do it early enough. Bugs which require significant effort to fix (and this includes bugs in KDE packages since they are quite large) need to be reported early. > My gnome-preference-daemon problem was reported a long time ago on the > ML, the same for the locking problem ( when I install 9.1, I had the > problem ). And, there was more than one bug involved in this, and the maintainer had problems reproducing it. > For kernel you can't do better as you depend on kernel dev. > the kde screensaver problems was reported a long time ago and several > times ( just after mdk announce for ad support in the distro, so many > people think that this was related ). > > You're facing the same problem than linus for the kernel. People begin > to test only when things are mark as stable or when you have RCx ( with > x > 1 ). That's why he marks 2.5 as 2.6test and you can see many people > testing it, even newbies. > Indeed when a newbie say it have a problem with distro version x.y, most > of the time, if the problem can't be easily fix ( depends on kernel, or > major lib version ), you say : just wait/install distro version x.y+1 ( > or x+1.0 ) if you have to wait less than one month. if not, you will > advise him to install the version RCx only if x is at lest equal to 2 as > you know that more x is greater, more stable is the distro. > Theses newbies will test the distro on new hardware ( more or less > recent ), and/or catch some bugs that peoples who were using an old > version will not see as they manage to workaround it or they learn to > live with it. But, I don't think anyone on this list qualifies as a newbie. People on this list should be testing at least half the betas on at least one machine, and/or running cooker full-time on a box (if you don't, you're most probably a lurker ;-)). If you want to be sure that some things will work in the final release, test *early*! Of course, some bugs will just never be fixed, whether there is one RC or 25. - -KDE single/double click - -drakconnect hostname madness And, I would like a reply on my request for supporting mutliple sessions by default (trivial mods to /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers) Regards, Buchan - -- |--------------Another happy Mandrake Club member--------------| Buchan Milne Mechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work +27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/mAlOrJK6UGDSBKcRAoMsAKCWflcS3hxb1N8XZUQU3HSBjcHaGgCcC+UK H6HPaVTf4wl6OruC/ac0N+g= =ELjz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
