> Except that urpmi works. Apt-get was nothing but a pain in my ass when I
> used debian, it died continuously, I had everyone trying to figure out
> why short of Ian himself, and no one could figure it out. I got a lot of
> "it works for me", but it didn't for me.

  :-) "It works for me." Frankly, I've never heard of anyone else who has had 
trouble with apt-get. I guess there are always exceptions though...

> >   4.) This would further distinguish MDK from the "others" (RedHat and
> > SuSE).
>
> If distinguishing mdk to be different than others were the goal why be
> linux at all?

  Well, obviously, the goal isn't to be *that* different. The goal (IMO) is 
to distinguish a distro with best features and stability. Moving to a Debian 
base would go mostly in the features section, since stability would still 
depend on how the packagers handle things.


> I agree to some extent, but I personally have had bad interactions with
> the "debian userbase" in ircland and other areas. Debian users as a
> majority are the most annoying linux users in the world who do nothing
> but complain about Redhat and Mandrake, they say this or that about it,
> but when you call their bluff and ask them to show you why it sucks they
> can't.

  That may be. The ones I know are quite helpful, and they've been happy to 
help with non-Debian issues also (I met the one on a KDE list a few years 
ago).

> So after all the bitching about Debian this or Slackware that I tried
> both of them,  I liked the simple straight forward installs on both ok,
> slackware was fine. Debian was ok, fast install but the apps were older
> than Jesus, and updating with apt-get to testing or unstable broke the

  With a Woody system running "unstable" KDE, you get the basic equivilent of 
any other distro. However, I would assume that if Mandrake did a Mandrake 
Debian, this would be a non-issue no matter what, since they would handle the 
packaging (just like they do now).

> system, and apt itself would die 4-6 times during the updates. Got real

  You had some major config problems or something. That's really bad. I tried 
a netinst Debian install, and ended up installing over a gig worth of 
packages between the initial install and apt-getting without a single glich.

  I would say you definately had a config error as I said, and this is where 
a super easy, polished interface like Mandrake's would fit nicely with 
Debian's robust tools.

> It rocks just the way it is - why debianize it?

  I'm just wondering if Debian might not just make Mandrake rock even more 
(if you caught my review of Mandrake on OfB last week, you will know I do 
really like Mandrake).

  -Tim

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