On Sunday 24 February 2002 03:24 am, Pixel wrote:
> "Timothy R. Butler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >   Well, that's exactly my point. If you look at the way Mandrake is going
> > with things like urpmi and the recent adoption of the Debian menu system,
> > it looks like the Mandrake developers like the ideas of Debian and are
> > working to mimick them.
>
> I do *not* deny we're copying things from debian (and not only from debian,
> taking the good things always has been the job of making a distribution :)
>
> *but* i'd like to comment on this "urpmi is mimicking apt", which is
> somewhat true, but not completly: when urpmi started (in april 1999), apt
> was not well-known nor configured by default on debian. urpmi was aimed at
> stable cdrom release. It took some time to Francois to move on to the new
> urpmi we now have, because the choices I made were somewhat wrong for what
> people expect from urpmi (the depslist being very inflexible/costly, and
> the hdlist's are big causing costly urpmi database updates)
>
> History also says that:
> - URPMI meant "User RPM Install" (for a long time, urpmi was setuid and
> allowed a normal user to install packages _from a non-modifiable location_)
> - it was meant to be used by autoirpm. Alas autoirpm is kind of dead, not
> being a valid solution in nowadays world with big drives and many security
> concerns.

So then why don't you just throw urpmi out of the window and help connectiva 
with apt-rpm? I found it to work perfectly with Mandrake (if I generate the 
package lists myself).

Alkis

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