On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:08:21 +0100, Michal Bukovjan wrote: > This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. > > --------------ms020507020108020109060108 Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Frederic Crozat wrote: > >>On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:30:49 +0100, Michal Bukovjan wrote: >> >>I think it was clear enough.. >> >> >>>>There WON'T be mozilla 0.9.9 in 8.2.. It is released too late to be >>>>tested enough and I'm sure there is new regression in 0.9.9.. >>>> >>>>I'll see what I can do about the mail crasher (the patch is quite >>>>intrusive and I don't want to break everything just to fix one >>>>crasher.. >>>> >>>> >>>On the other hand, you can bet that most of the users will download and >>>install the Mozilla 0.9.9 from cooker as soon as they become available, >>>so you can save them work and include it right away as well... >>> >>> >>You are talking about supposed "power users", not people who bought >>boxes and who want things in the box to run at install.. >> >>If these "power users" install cooker packages on stable distro (8.2), >>they are on their own, I (and MandrakeSoft) don't provide support for >>them.. >> >>I have the impression of being in a elementary school with every kid >>crying to get the latest new toy.. I won't put Mozilla 0.9.9 in 8.2. >>This point is not open to discussion.. If people want to live on the >>bleeding edge, they should run cooker but then, they should only rely on >>their own and on the cooker community for support.. >> > I am not talking about Mandrake supporting anyone using cooker. > > I wanted to express my voice (a part of public demand) for a new > version, a voice from a user, that uses Mandrake exclusively on his box, > the same user, who you ask to support by means of Mandrake club, or > other means. > > This is far from elementary school (I consider myself far more > experienced and much older than that, thank you!), and consider this: > > - Mozilla will be used by everyone, all users, be those power users or > beginners , especially that NS4.x is out of distro - considering the > sheer amounts of bugs fixed, I would expect the Mozilla 0.9.9 to > actually generate *LESS* support calls - you can always disable the new > "risky" features in the new milestone build like MathML (which may or > may not be mature enough) - as I said, investing a day or two before > Mandrake 8.2 goes gold, and seeing if the new Mozilla works or not, and > *THEN* deciding whether to keep 0.9.8 or let 0.9.9 in would be much > better approach. Do others who do not download cooker will have to wait > for 9.0 for a (more) stable Mozilla?
Yes, they will have to wait.. > That said, I understand what feature freeze is, and will just use the > cooker version once it comes out, as the current 0.9.8 which will come > with 8.2 crashes too often or misbehaves on certain sites, and some of > the UI (adressbook for instance) is shaky at best in 0.9.8. I've said I'll check again for the addressbook problem.. a lot of topcrashers from 0.9.8 has already been fixed in our package (check changelog) > I just feel sorry for novice users, who are not able to sync with > cooker, being stuck with unnecessarily old version. Since boxes stay more than 6 months, differences between 0.9.8 and 0.9.9 won't have a lot of importance in 4 months.. I won't jeopardize quality of mozilla just because a new release is out.. Moreover, I prefer to spend my time in fixing known bugs.. > Now that I actually calmed down from your insults, I see a compromise > though : you could include in release notes, that official update to > Mozilla 0.9.9 will follow soon, and actually make the official update > (not cooker) later. At least a promise :-) There won't be official update through MandrakeUpdate for mozilla 0.9.9.. We provides updates only for security update and critical bugs. I don't consider mozilla 0.9.8 is criticaly bugged.. For me, this subject is closed and I won't respond on this thread anymore.. I have bugs to fix.. -- Fr�d�ric Crozat MandrakeSoft
