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>> ... with users finally installing both and having both of them installed
>> is a disaster. It can't be supported.
>>
>> If you want KDE3 nobody prevents you from downloading it?
> Might as well put my two sense in. Until late last year I was a SuSE user,
>so I can't speak from MDK experience, but I can tell you what went on over in
>the SuSE community.
> When KDE 2 came out, there was an tremedous amount of disappointment that
>SuSE hadn't delayed 7.0 for KDE 2. Yes, it worked better for the company to
>release it ahead of KDE 2, but it was a pain for anyone on a low-band
>connection (or anyone who was uncomfortable installing KDE) to upgrade later
>on.
When Mandrake 7.2 came out, there was a lot of criticism for shipping a possibly
broken KDE2.0 (even though there were almost no issues). KDE3.0 thus far looks worse
than 2.0 (judging by compliants about sudden changes just before rc2). It seems both
SuSE and Mandrake learnt something in that experience, and I think the right one is
caution. The problem isn't just KDE, but all the apps that run in KDE, and they
won't be ready for 8.2, and I wouldn't want to wait any longer - this distro is
looking too good.
Also, the changes from KDE2 to KDE3 are not as significant as between 1.4 and 2.0,
so there isn't really that much motivation to use a new, and potentially bug-ridden,
KDE as there was at the release of 2.0.
> The net result? SuSE obviously got such an onslaught of unhappy people that
>this time around they are waiting for KDE 3. Frankly, there isn't that much
>that has come out since Mandrake 8.1 that is nearly as exciting as the
>prospect of KDE 3. While it is certainly more convenient for MandrakeSoft to
>go ahead and ship a KDE 3-less Mandrake 8.2, most people I know will probably
>not purchase a distro this spring unless it has KDE 3 included.
-stable, memory-efficient kernel
-evolution 1.0
-galeon 1.0
-Mozilla 0.9.8
-Half-decent Nautilus
-OpenOffice 641c (still one or two issues with mdk rpms)
-Kdevelop-2.0.2
-Quanta 2.0.1
-SNF (rocks)
-Samba 2.2.3a with (almost) out the box winbind for integration into windows
domains, XFS ACLs and quotas (of course, a better idea than waiting for KDE 3.0
would be to wait for Samba 2.2.4 ;-))
Well, 8.2 is looking pretty solid for an up-to-date server (if the NFS-XFS issue and
smbfs can be fixed any time soon), and will probably be about the most stable linux
distro for the next 6 months while everyone else tries to fix Gnome 2.0 and KDE 3.0.
> So, here is where I'm going: Mandrake needs money - they need it soon. Why
>not include the one updated package that will most likely make people buy
>more copies of Mandrake? To solve KDE2/3 conflicts make it a mutually
>exclusive choice during setup - either you go with KDE 2 or KDE 3 - not both.
>Further more, make the option only available under the Expert install. There
>- anyone who should care can get KDE 3, anyone who doesn't know the
>difference won't be affected.
Why not rather have an optional KDE3.0 (and Gnome 2.0 too) update CD, if KDE3.0
turns out to be useable, and if enough are interested, sell it only on
Mandrakestore.com for a decent price.
KDE 3.0 betas are in contribs anyway, if you want a broken desktop ;-)
Buchan
