On Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 02:42 Antoine Pitrou, <solip...@pitrou.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 16:25:34 +0000 > Brett Cannon <br...@python.org> wrote: > > > > Consider the fact that a standard answer to a lack of email threading on > > any of the major email providers is to use gmane's NNTP gateway. > > The main problem with gmane is that it isn't really maintained > anymore. In particular you can't register new mailing-lists to the > gateway :-( > > > I don't think people realize that anyone who post-dates the '90s has no > clue what > > that acronym represents and thus poses the same barriers as setting up > IRC. > > I'm curious about "barriers". You just have to set up a piece of > software... Python requires some kind of text editor or IDE to become > productive. Is it a barrier to have to set up a text editor? > I don't want to dwell on this too much since I think we've collectively agreed to focus on the real-time collaboration case. But to answer the question, any piece of software we basically ask people to set up to be productive is a barrier. In North America there's is the phrase "death by a thousand paper cuts" and asking people to install yet more software and do more to get set up does have a cost where people have a personal limit how how many little things they are willing to put up with. As for this specific case, as a developer there is a much greater chance I will install an editor for all of my development needs while installing an email client has a higher chance tonne just for this specific case if people in school these days aren't heavy email users. -Brett > > So for me, the first question is are we just considering alternatives to > > the "IRC problem" or are we trying to solve the "new contributors who > were > > born in the 2000s problem" (for which the latter subsumes the former)? > > Well... I think the main question is whether IRC is important at all. > I'd be willing to guess that most of our contributors don't use IRC on > a regular basis, and they're not missing on anything. Missing out? No. Would like to occasionally have real-time collaboration? Yes, at least for me (I mean I could give every core dev my number toessage me on Signal or WhatsApp, but I don't think that scales 😉). Which isn't a > reason not to improve things, but makes it quite low-priority IMHO. > Yes, this isn't critical, hence why I don't think anyone has tried to do anything beyond discussing it so far. We will have to wait and see if anyone writes up a proposal as to why we should consider the overhead of asking people to sign up for Zulip and give it a try. -Brett > Regards > > Antoine. > > _______________________________________________ > core-workflow mailing list -- core-workflow@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to core-workflow-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mm3/mailman3/lists/core-workflow.python.org/ > This list is governed by the PSF Code of Conduct: > https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct >
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