Yes, my Armstrongs are Dublin to Quebec. Lots of those Armstrongs in Ireland.

Katie Green
On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:40 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList 
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> Margaret,
> I echo what Boyd has said.
> Armstrong is a very common name in Ireland. In the 1901 census there are 
> 6122. 545 in Co Tyrone, 6 named Samuel and 41 named William. The names would 
> have been even more common in the mid 1800s as the population was 
> considerably greater then. (It was 8 million in 1841 and it’s only 6 million 
> today).
> There’s 42 parishes in the county, and probably 250 – 300 churches. Not all 
> the churches have records back to the mid 1800s let alone 1811 when William 
> was born, and of those that do, many are not on-line. Only the RC records are 
> fairly comprehensively on-line. For all other denominations it’s very patchy. 
> A lot have been copied and are in PRONI, but there are some small churches 
> where the Minister still has the only copy of the records. No-one has copied 
> them at all, and the only way of checking them is to contact him/her. 
> Searching all the various church records for Tyrone is a mammoth task. 
> Researchers need to be able to reduce the search by knowing the exact 
> denomination(s) of the families they are looking at. And we need some 
> reasonably reliable information on where they might have lived to keep the 
> research within reasonable bounds. Searching the church records for the whole 
> county for Armstrong would be a huge task. But even then, there’s no getting 
> away from the fact that the Church of Ireland lost a significant portion of 
> its records in the 1922 fire, and that other denominations didn’t always keep 
> records, or if they did, they have been lost or damaged. So no certainty of 
> success at all.
> It’s worth bearing in mind that not everyone is listed in Griffiths. 
> Servants, people lodging with others and folk with very low value properties 
> were all excluded. Labourers who moved around regularly to follow available 
> work often slipped through the Griffiths clerks net. There are other 
> examples. Also it was compiled for Tyrone around 1860, so if a family had 
> left by that year, they won't be in it.
> With your Samuel and William, I would search all possible records in Canada, 
> or wherever else they ended up. Marriage and death certificates sometimes 
> give places of birth, as well as parents names. Military records, obituaries, 
> wills etc can all throw up information about someone’s origins.  Because it’s 
> such a common name, to trace William Armstrong born c1852, we’d need his 
> mother’s full name, to be sure of finding the right family. Presumably you 
> know that, though it isn’t in your post.
> The researcher’s expertise is obviously important but equally we can’t magic 
> up records that don’t exist anymore, and the more accurate your information 
> and the narrower the search area, the better the chances of success.
> Elwyn
> From: Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList <>
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> Cc: Boyd Gray <>
> Sent: Monday, 3 December 2018, 22:31
> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Using a researcher
> Hi Margaret,
> I am a "researcher" currently working on a project very similar to the one 
> you describe.  And after weeks of research, I have not found that magical 
> "smoking gun" which you seem to desire.  Thankfully, I am not being expected 
> to do so and I made that clear at the start when I offered to help.  It is as 
> simple as this.  If the records do not exist, no amount of research, by 
> anyone other than a magic fairy, is ever going to find that definitive link 
> for which you seek.  In the end, it will all come down to probabilities.  If 
> you have researched every birth, marriage and death, every land record from 
> the Tithe Applotment Books, through the Griffiths Valuation AND beyond 
> through the Griffiths Valuation Revision Books, through their overlap with 
> the censuses and right through to their end circa 1930, then you will have 
> sufficient sense of the family in that area to know whether they are your 
> folks, to withing 80% or 90% degree of certainty.  But you can not expect 
> even a professional researcher to magic up a record which does not exist.
> Just like you, we found a Christopher Irwin, but not the Christopher Irwin 
> who emigrated to Ontario in 1850 because this Christopher Irwin was still in 
> Co Tyrone when he died in 1906.  But, we have done enough work on this branch 
> of the Irwins, compared to other Irwins from County Tyrone, which was the 
> only clue given by Canadian records, to be reasonably sure we have the right 
> Irwins.  But no smoking gun.  No family bible.  No record from a list of 
> sources which simply does not exist.  No researcher with a magic wand.  If 
> you need to know what sources are actually available, have a look here at the 
> helpful hints, workshop videos, sources and links:
> That is the reality.
> Keep researching, do not give up, but do not look for the impossible.... 
> though, who knows.... you may strike lucky and find that mythicak family 
> bible.
> I hope this helps.
> Regards,
> Boyd
> On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 at 21:42, margaret marion via CoTyroneList 
> <> wrote:
> I have grown more and more frustrated with my research in Northern Ireland.  
> Has anyone ever used a researcher?  Was it a good experience?  Can anyone 
> recommend someone?
> I have done my research for Samuel Armstrong born 1811 and his son William 
> born 1852, Tyrone, Northern Ireland.
> I have done Griffith's Valuation and the census from 1901 and 1911.  
> I centered on the Armstrong's of Sixmilecross.  I went there because in 
> Griffith's Valuation, they had a Samuel Armstrong.
> I now know that it is not my Samuel Armstrong.  I figure he came to Canada in 
> 1860 - 1862.
> The Samuel Armstrong of Sixmilecross is present right into the late 1800's.  
> this is what frustrated me to the most.
> I have done the family tree for the Armstrong's of Sixmilecross back to 1797 
> with Isaac Armstrong, father Francis, I believe, but not lots of proof.
> My own guess is Samuel is a younger brother of Isaac.  But absolutely no 
> proof.
> Hence the reason I am thinking of getting a researcher for a bit.
> Any advice would be appreciated.
> Margaret Marion
> Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
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