David, The likely reason for obtaining the copy of the 1841 census in 1911 would be for old age pension purposes. The OAP was introduced in 1909 for those aged 70 or over. Proof of age was required. Obviously no-one in Ireland born before 1864 had a birth certificate. Some had baptismal certs and others had alternative acceptable documents eg military discharge books and some marriage certs. But for those without proof, another approach was to check the 1841 or 1851 censuses. If the age shown then made you 70 or over at the time of your OAP application, then that was acceptable too.
According to the Valuation revision books on the PRONI site, the Mullycar property listed in Griffiths remained in William Irwin’s name till 1885 when it was changed to “reps of” indicating he had died. Does that tie in with your knowledge of the family? By 1901 the occupant was what looks like John Leeman. I found a death certificate for William. He died at Mullycar on 31.8.1882 aged 80. He was married. The informant was John Dickson, cousin of the deceased, also of Mullycar. I checked to see if William left a will but he did not, at least not one that required probate anyway. Charlotte Irwin died at Mullycar on 4.1.1883 aged 80. Her daughter Isabella Irwin was the informant. That seems to rule out this William Irwin remarrying Martha McRearn. He seems to have been married to Charlotte all his life, and she outlived him. The Newry Telegraph 21.1.1845 has a report of a criminal trial relating to a John Dixon of Mullycar who was accused of chopping down and stealing a larch tree. William Irwin was a witness. They apparently lived under the same roof but were not on good terms. Mr Dixon came up with an alibi, involving spending the evening when the offence was alleged to have taken place with a Peter Carberry who confirmed that under oath. Dixon was therefore acquitted. Was this the same John Dickson/Dixon who was the informant for William’s death 40 years later? Elwyn On 22/06/2019, David Irwin via CoTyroneList <[email protected]> wrote: > Len Swindley/Boyd Gray (and others) > > > > I posted some information last December relating to my father William > Irwin, > who had recently passed away - a belated thank you for your comprehensive > replies. In the intervening period I have found evidence in family papers > that contradicts what I posted originally. > > > > The new information is as follows, based on a certified copy of a 1841 > census return (attached), obtained by the family in 1911. I guess I have > been lucky here in that many record were destroyed in 1922 I believe. The > information is as follows > > > > It confirms that William Irwin/Irvine (farmer, aged 35 years), wife > Sharlotte Irwin (aged 36 years) and son Robert Irwin (aged 3 years) lived > in > the parish of Clonfeacle, in the Townland of Mullycar in Co Tyrone. This > implies that William was born in 1805, and Robert was born in 1838. > William's wife Sharlotte is a new name to me. Previous information > indicated > that William was married to Martha McRearn and they lived Ardboe (possibly > a > second marriage?). > > > > The Clonfeacle connection is re-inforced by Griffiths Valuation which shows > a William Irwin (see attached) > > > > How do I proceed to find subsequent Irish records - deaths, wills, second > marriages, birth of subsequent children etc to prove Sharlottes death and a > possible second marriage to Martha? This would confirm the relationship > between the siblings William and Robert. > > > > Eventually, as per my original email, the two sons (Robert and William) > emigrated to England (West Cumberland) later in the 1800s, and I suspect > William (father) may have followed. William (son) eventually emigrated > again > to Canada which is where my original question last December came from. > > > > Any help gratefully received. > > > > Thanks > > > > David > > > > > > David Irwin MSc FIRM CEng > > Director > > > > Tel: +44 (0) 1253 853075 > > Mob: +44 (0) 7977 459671 > > > > Risk Innovation - Business & Programme Risk Management Consultancy > > Enterprise Risk and Project Management Services > > Interim Management for Risk and Project Management Roles > > Supply Chain Risk Management > > Programme & Project Governance > > > > This e-mail communication and any attachments are confidential and for the > sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, reliance, dissemination, > distribution, copying or other use is strictly prohibited and may be > illegal. The reliability of this method of communication cannot be > guaranteed. It can be intercepted, corrupted, delayed, may arrive > incomplete, contain viruses or be affected by other interference. We have > taken reasonable steps to reduce risks against viruses but cannot accept > liability for any damages sustained as a result of this transmission. If > you are not the intended recipient please delete this e-mail and notify the > sender immediately by replying to this e-mail. > > > > Risk Innovation, Lodge House, Chiswell Grove, Thornton, Lancashire FY5 5PD > > > > _______________________________________________ CoTyroneList Mailing List Mailing List Email Address: [email protected] Change Your Preferences: http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY
