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Rick,

The differences between the 415-C and 415-D are minimal but at least one
is
important to flying safety.  The conversion requirements are spelled out
in
our type certificate Aircraft Specification A-787. (See the notes as
well.)
http://members.home.net/ed-ercoupe/

Flying over 1260 lb. with a 415-C (which has 13 degrees elevator
up-travel)
could get you into a possible stall-spin since flight-testing that
combination gave unacceptable results with full power and full
up-elevator.

Flying over 1400 lb. with a 415-D (which has 9 degrees elevator up-travel)
could do the same.

Approach to landing in a 415-D requires good airspeed control (somewhat
true
of all Coupe models) because you don't have a lot of elevator up-travel.
If
you blow the landing, get into pilot-induced-oscillation, or otherwise get
nose-down and too slow, you DON'T have enough elevator to bring up the
nose
to make the "crash" happen on the main gear - this means you'd hit nose
down
and fold under the nose gear but probably walk away. Having said that, I
have 900 hours in my D model and have never felt at risk of a nose-down
impact.

The stainless steel "firewall" is the panel on top of the fuselage over
the
header-fuel tank and under the cowl. It should be stainless steel on 415-C
models for in-flight fire safety but the CAA slipped during original
certification and let ERCO get away with a mistake.  It's a pain to change
that panel, but nothing like replacing the firewall would be.

I'd advocate changing your plane to be a D model rather than flying over
gross in a C. To do otherwise simply cancels your insurance with most
insurance companies while letting you continue to pay the premiums. Plus
the
FAA could slam-dunk you for your violation. Plus you are at risk of the
stall-spin I mentioned above.

Best of all options is to change to the D model AND get the FAA
inspector's
approval for mounting a "split" elevator like is used in all models from
the
E onward.  This gets rid of all the problems listed above.  Some timid FAA
inspectors aren't bright enough to realize that this enhances safety so
get
the paperwork signed off BEFORE making this very desirable modification.

Ed Burkhead
N3802H, Ercoupe 415-D
Peoria, IL

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 9:32 PM
To: coupers
Subject: [COUPERS] Question on 415C vs.415D

----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any
advice in this forum.]----

Hello everyone,
I am considering the purchase of an ercoupe which is listed as a 415C.
I've read that the gross weight on this is 1260, which severely cuts
down on usable load.  I definitely would want the higher gross weight.
The plane has been updated to 85 HP.  The owner claims that it is
capable of handling two adults around 225 lbs at full fuel. (not hot
humid days)   I am not sure if it has had the elevator restricted to
nine degrees.

I would think that it would be expensive to alter the Firewall to
Stainless Steel. And if it has been altered - (the owner isn't sure) --
what exactly should I look for to make sure it is stainless Steel.
I realize that with the 85 HP it probably has the lifting capacity to do
this, but, WHAt are the ramifications of not having converted to a D
model?

Is this something I should be real concerned about, or is it a
"technicality" with little consequence.?  I would not care to be burned
by the FAA if there were some inspection.  Any comments or experience
would be appreciated.

Thanks   Rick Green


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