Re-post+update of note I had inadvertently sent only to Gregor:

After reading some 3000+ messages on this list, IMNSHO, many posters are
using only the courier-imap and a few other courier modules. Many of the 
problems reported are NOT with those modules, but with Qmail, etc.

After a lot of toing-and-froing, I have gone with my original assessment
that Sam's full-house 'courier-mta' package is the most complete,
cohesive, and comprehensive in and of itself **available**.  All other
alternatives require putting modules from other folks together piecemeal -
and no surprise - they are not always 100% compatible.

I haven't put *all* of courier-mta through all possible hoops (yet) and
may never need to do so. But neither have I found anything fundamentally
wrong with *any* of it.  Are some tasks better handled by a third-party
module than the one(s) Sam povides?  No doubt.  Ha hasn't claomed a 
patent on brains...

But I consider it a real plus not to have to install half-a-dozen
different modules written in several different interpreters/scripting
languages to get the basic MTA job done IAW applicable RFC's.

And - more specifically to your question, Gregor -  courier-mta's  smtpd
works just fine.

You *DO* have to 'RTFM' - but here too the info is *there*, and all from
the same place. And you *DO* have to configure the modules you plan to
use, but that is not a lot of work, (again "RTFM").

And this list is fast, accurate, and there are many very helpful experts
active here.

My JV partner claims courier is a 'never ending beta' - to which I reply,
 "So what?  It is *always up to date!*".

Look at Sam's latest addition - a very short time after it was mentioned -
to make sure the queue can be rescanned as one wishes (or not).

Anyone able to point to even ONE OTHER full-house package that has
everything in it? And yes, we do (still yet) run Qmail on some (two
IIRC...) servers (check this header) ..... but not for a lot longer...

YOMD, but why indeed not try the full courier-mta package and sidestep a
host of *unrelated* integration & configuration issues?  

>From what I see, Sam has been through all this hassle himself
 - and fixed the vast majority of it - for which I am most grateful, as I
haven't the time, inclination, specialized knowledge, or other  resources
to reinvent this particular wheel.

Thanks, Sam!

Bill Hacker

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 03/05/03 
   at 08:54 PM, Gregor Lawatscheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>At 16:33 05/03/2003, you wrote:
>>Here is the basic idea,
>>Core system, SMTP(Postfix), pop3, pop3s, imap, imaps (Courier-imap),
>>webmail(squirelmail) with all auth bing routed through an ldap server,
>>global address book that works with mail clients via ldap as well as
>>Squirrelmail.

>Hi,
>I read this over and over. The majority of people appears to use postfix
>or  qmail as smtpd, with most of the other components being from the
>courier  suite. I.e courier pop3, courier pop3s, courier imap, courier
>maildrop,  courier related squirelmail. Is there some reason why the
>courier smtpd is  unpopular? Does it lack features? Does it not perform
>as well as postfix or  qmail? Or is it simply not deployed as widely and
>hence not widely trusted  / supported by users?

>Most benchmarks indicate that qmail buys file security for performance
>and  is fairly slow compared to postfix. How does the courier smptd
>compare to  that. I've googled and searched archives, I couldn't find
>anything  measuring courier's performance...

>So far I have experience with sendmail and qmail. qmail is a drag because
> of non-develpoment, too many patches for functionality and mail handling
> design errors. The Courier MTA looks like a good choice, as does
>Postfix.  But then again if all of the backend programs MUA and filtering
>is courier  stuff, why not use the courier smtpd as well? Just
>wondering... 

Regards,

Bill Hacker
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