Jon,

> Client                                                Server
> --- imap ---> imapd with STLS (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:143)---> mail
> --- pop3 ---> pop3d with STLS (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:110) ---> mail
> --- imaps ---> imapd-ssl (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:993) ---> mail
> --- pop3s ---> pop3d-ssl (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:995) ---> mail
> --- https   ---> apache with mod_ssl (webmail) (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:443)
>                         ---> imap --->
                            imapd without STLS(127.0.0.1:143)---> mail

>> I suggest the first alternative.  Why is that so hard?

These are not alternatives! I have them all available to the users.

Miguel



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