Jonathan, It seems you are focused on the wrong things if you want to engage with Economic Development professionals. I will be at the coworking unconference in Austin and would be willing to talk with people about this. Gangplank has significant partnership with it's city and in process of launching additional sites as partners with other cities. Alex/Jerome I think your assertions are on the right track, but I can promise that you don't have to create a traditional coworking space in order to get the attention of the ED in your city. In fact, doing so probably hurts you more than it helps you.
-- Derek Neighbors Gangplank On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Jerome Chang <[email protected]> wrote: > Look everyone. I know that some of you are very ambitious and creative to > convince, say, an EDC to invest in coworking. But to provide industry-wide > metrics for traditional-minded views is tough when this "industry" has just > begun. Besides, the data is going to be all over the place. There hasn't > been any "formula" for ramp-up, square footage effectiveness, composition of > memberships (full-time vs. part-time, etc.)...Every facility is going to be > different, and even if similar, probably hasn't been around long enough to > provide any meaningful metric. > > The only way to get meaningful metrics is for some academic grant or some > philanthropic benefactor to finance the resources to gather such fragmented > and very early data. > > So like Alex has recommended many times over, just focus on your facility, > your community and use your common sense to adjust as req'd. > > > Jerome > ______________ > BLANKSPACES > "work FOR yourself, not BY yourself" > > www.blankspaces.com > 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) > Los Angeles, CA 90036 > > 1450 2nd Street (@ Broadway) > Santa Monica, CA 90401 > > 323.330.9505 (office) > > On Mar 3, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Alex Hillman wrote: > > But to answer your question - To what end? To the end of getting funding, >> tax breaks, etc from cities to promote the growth of coworking. > > > Maybe it's just a philosophical difference but we've intentionally gone the > OTHER direction, building things in a way that doesn't require or need the > city for growth. In fact, most of our interactions with the city (and > they're happening regularly) involve a conversation that goes something > like, "We love what you guys are doing, and more importantly, that you're > not doing it with your hand out." To us, NOT needing them is just as > important as helping them. Needing them in order to help them isn't really > helping them in the long term. > > Some of the questions I've been asked: > > - How many sqft does a space need to be successful? > > - How quickly does membership typically grow? > > - How many members can be supported per sqft? > > - How many "jobs" and "businesses" are generally created and over >> what period of time? > > > I get these too. 3-5 times a week. Just because they ask a question doesn't > mean answering that question is the right answer. > > http://dangerouslyawesome.com/2010/11/where-jobs-come-from/ > > Giving them answers that satiate them is nice and all, but there's SO much > more value in pushing them to rethink the questions they're asking. When > folks from these organizations (private or public sector) want to understand > coworking better, I give them the same answer that I give members interested > in coworking: *just show up.* > > -Alex > > /ah > indyhall.org > coworking in philadelphia > > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Jonathan Yankovich < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > Jonathan said: >> > > for local/regional/state/national groups interested in coworking, to >> support >> > > the cause and show people the real value using numbers as opposed to >> the >> > > more ephemeral attributes that we're talking about here. >> >> Alex said: >> >> > To what end? *Sounds* great but most governments and coworking space >> > owners/operators/founders won't have a clue what to do with these >> "metrics" >> > other than throw them at the EDCs and, well, I've already written about >> > that: >> http://dangerouslyawesome.com/2010/12/on-economic-development-centers-and-coworking/ >> >> I think its more about communicating the value of this new model to >> the people who hold the purse strings in communities when it comes >> to. In Madison, our city economic development champion "gets" >> coworking and sees it as the future, but recognizes that few of the >> people who are generally involved with economic development decisions >> and about how to spend government money really understand it the way >> we do. >> >> Some of the questions I've been asked: >> >> - How many sqft does a space need to be successful? >> - How quickly does membership typically grow? >> - How many members can be supported per sqft? >> - How many "jobs" and "businesses" are generally created and over what >> period of time? >> >> Answering these kinds of questions will give "EDC's" information that >> they can understand in the context they're used to. These folks are >> used to things like business plan contests (not coworking), >> "incubators" (not coworking), and tax subsidies for small businesses >> (not coworking). If we want them to understand the value of >> coworking, we have to present information about it in a way that they >> can "get". I was hoping that by gathering metrics we could do this, >> but based on feedback from many people on this list, it sounds like a >> problem that we perhaps shouldn't even try to solve ... for now. >> >> But to answer your question - To what end? 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