Because coworking as most people implement it looks like shared office space. It looks like a real estate proposition in which no city in their right mind really wants to back. Starting with that model can be more of a turn off. Again this is a discussion, much larger than via email imho. If you are at sxsw I would love to discuss or when in LA next.
-- Derek Neighbors Gangplank On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Jerome Chang <[email protected]>wrote: > Can you elaborate how creating a space first could hurt you? > > > Jerome > ______________ > BLANKSPACES > "work FOR yourself, not BY yourself" > > www.blankspaces.com > 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) > Los Angeles, CA 90036 > > 1450 2nd Street (@ Broadway) > Santa Monica, CA 90401 > > 323.330.9505 (office) > > On Mar 3, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Derek Neighbors wrote: > > Jonathan, > > It seems you are focused on the wrong things if you want to engage with > Economic Development professionals. I will be at the coworking unconference > in Austin and would be willing to talk with people about this. Gangplank > has significant partnership with it's city and in process of launching > additional sites as partners with other cities. Alex/Jerome I think your > assertions are on the right track, but I can promise that you don't have to > create a traditional coworking space in order to get the attention of the ED > in your city. In fact, doing so probably hurts you more than it helps you. > > -- > Derek Neighbors > Gangplank > > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Jerome Chang <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Look everyone. I know that some of you are very ambitious and creative to >> convince, say, an EDC to invest in coworking. But to provide industry-wide >> metrics for traditional-minded views is tough when this "industry" has just >> begun. Besides, the data is going to be all over the place. There hasn't >> been any "formula" for ramp-up, square footage effectiveness, composition of >> memberships (full-time vs. part-time, etc.)...Every facility is going to be >> different, and even if similar, probably hasn't been around long enough to >> provide any meaningful metric. >> >> The only way to get meaningful metrics is for some academic grant or some >> philanthropic benefactor to finance the resources to gather such fragmented >> and very early data. >> >> So like Alex has recommended many times over, just focus on your facility, >> your community and use your common sense to adjust as req'd. >> >> >> Jerome >> ______________ >> BLANKSPACES >> "work FOR yourself, not BY yourself" >> >> www.blankspaces.com >> 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) >> Los Angeles, CA 90036 >> >> 1450 2nd Street (@ Broadway) >> Santa Monica, CA 90401 >> >> 323.330.9505 (office) >> >> On Mar 3, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Alex Hillman wrote: >> >> But to answer your question - To what end? To the end of getting funding, >>> tax breaks, etc from cities to promote the growth of coworking. >> >> >> Maybe it's just a philosophical difference but we've intentionally gone >> the OTHER direction, building things in a way that doesn't require or need >> the city for growth. In fact, most of our interactions with the city (and >> they're happening regularly) involve a conversation that goes something >> like, "We love what you guys are doing, and more importantly, that you're >> not doing it with your hand out." To us, NOT needing them is just as >> important as helping them. Needing them in order to help them isn't really >> helping them in the long term. >> >> Some of the questions I've been asked: >> >> - How many sqft does a space need to be successful? >> >> - How quickly does membership typically grow? >> >> - How many members can be supported per sqft? >> >> - How many "jobs" and "businesses" are generally created and over >>> what period of time? >> >> >> I get these too. 3-5 times a week. Just because they ask a question >> doesn't mean answering that question is the right answer. >> >> http://dangerouslyawesome.com/2010/11/where-jobs-come-from/ >> >> Giving them answers that satiate them is nice and all, but there's SO much >> more value in pushing them to rethink the questions they're asking. When >> folks from these organizations (private or public sector) want to understand >> coworking better, I give them the same answer that I give members interested >> in coworking: *just show up.* >> >> -Alex >> >> /ah >> indyhall.org >> coworking in philadelphia >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Jonathan Yankovich < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> > Jonathan said: >>> > > for local/regional/state/national groups interested in coworking, to >>> support >>> > > the cause and show people the real value using numbers as opposed to >>> the >>> > > more ephemeral attributes that we're talking about here. >>> >>> Alex said: >>> >>> > To what end? *Sounds* great but most governments and coworking space >>> > owners/operators/founders won't have a clue what to do with these >>> "metrics" >>> > other than throw them at the EDCs and, well, I've already written about >>> > that: >>> http://dangerouslyawesome.com/2010/12/on-economic-development-centers-and-coworking/ >>> >>> I think its more about communicating the value of this new model to >>> the people who hold the purse strings in communities when it comes >>> to. In Madison, our city economic development champion "gets" >>> coworking and sees it as the future, but recognizes that few of the >>> people who are generally involved with economic development decisions >>> and about how to spend government money really understand it the way >>> we do. >>> >>> Some of the questions I've been asked: >>> >>> - How many sqft does a space need to be successful? >>> - How quickly does membership typically grow? >>> - How many members can be supported per sqft? >>> - How many "jobs" and "businesses" are generally created and over what >>> period of time? >>> >>> Answering these kinds of questions will give "EDC's" information that >>> they can understand in the context they're used to. These folks are >>> used to things like business plan contests (not coworking), >>> "incubators" (not coworking), and tax subsidies for small businesses >>> (not coworking). If we want them to understand the value of >>> coworking, we have to present information about it in a way that they >>> can "get". I was hoping that by gathering metrics we could do this, >>> but based on feedback from many people on this list, it sounds like a >>> problem that we perhaps shouldn't even try to solve ... for now. >>> >>> But to answer your question - To what end? 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