Hi.

We and NextSpace both use Meraki.  I believe Link does as well.  Many pros, and 
the only cons I encountered was the upfront cost a year ago, which since have 
lowered.  Otherwise, operationally, it's been bliss.  Totally ideal for 
dynamically changing spaces such as coworking.


Jerome
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"work FOR yourself, not BY yourself"

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On May 7, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Alex Hillman wrote:

> Picking up on a super-old thread, I'm wondering if Jerome or anyone else can 
> weigh in on Meraki, Ruckus, or any other similar wireless solutions that 
> they're using and love? Pros, cons, configurations, number of members/devices 
> you support per Access Point, etc?
> 
> We're looking at options again now that we're expanding to 2 floors and 
> determining efficient ways to cover 8000 square feet on 2 floors of a 
> cement-structure building. Adding more Airport Extremes is an option, but 
> stuff like "beamforming" and high-power antennae has my attention :)
> 
> -Alex
> 
> indyhall.org
> 
> On Friday, August 26, 2011 12:15:02 PM UTC-4, Jerome wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> Sorry folks, but I'd have to disagree.  I tried to use an Airport Extreme, 
> then added another and we quickly overwhelmed them.  We upgraded to a DLink 
> commercial grade router and within a year (or less!), that fizzled.  We now 
> use Meraki AP's and router (since March 2011) and so far so good.  Basically, 
> the Apple Extreme's simply couldn't handle the load for about 40 simultaneous 
> "devices."  Remember that many people now use 2-3 devices (laptop + 
> phone/tablet), so you should anticipate x2.
> 
> For the Apple Extreme's, we ended up having to often turn off and on 
> sometimes 1-2/day.  The reason was that these Apple Extreme's would not flush 
> out IP addresses.  We concluded that in an environment where you might have 
> the same 40 people, these AE's might be appropriate.  But when we host an 
> event for 50 people...
> 
> Also, AE's don't allow you to manage the user connections: no throttling, no 
> activity per IP address, etc.  In an age of dropbox and all things cloud, all 
> it takes is one uneducated user to think they can upload a 1 gb movie file to 
> ruin the bandwidth for everyone else.  Or say, when video streaming and other 
> heavy bandwidth usage peaks around lunch time because everyone's watching 
> NetFlix streaming while they take a break.
> 
> Finally, how is everyone getting these fat 40mb pipes???  We pay $600/mo for 
> a 5/5 EoC, and $900/mo for 10/10.  And some $200/mo I think for 10/2 DSL 
> (SLA, not consumer).  I can only speculate a 50/10 or something must be $$.  
> Oh, and we need the synchronous 5/5 or 10/10 for our VoIP handsets.  We use 
> QoS to prioritize the phone data packets; otherwise, we'd need 20/20 or more!
> 
> 
> Jerome
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> 
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> ph: 323.330.9505 | 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) Los Angeles, 
> CA 90036 
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> 
> On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Pat Ramsey wrote:
> 
>> Josh,
>> 
>> Never had any issues with the firewall. I eyeball the logs every so often & 
>> haven't seen anything odd. 
>> 
>> The primary base station works great as a central router - no DHCP issues, 
>> NAT works great, DNS etc. Very low-key & stable, as it should be.
>> 
>> On the wireless side of things, there's no way we would be able to 
>> satisfactorily handle more than 15 or so people on 1 wireless router. Don't 
>> even try it. So I bought two (plus, it made the little red light in the back 
>> of my head slow down. 2 is 1, 1 is none, etc) of the Extremes.
>> 
>> We segmented out our cloud into three, in order to provide connection points 
>> for the different speeds without causing a slowdown for faster devices. Each 
>> uses the same wireless key, so it's convenient for users to get on. My 
>> original plan of 1 cloud for all failed spectacularly the day we had a 
>> visitor with an old 802.11b card connect, killing connection speeds for 
>> everyone. D'oh!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 26, 2011, at 9:38 AM, Josh Aberson wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Pat, appreciate the help. 
>>> 
>>> I was looking into the Airport extreme option. I really like that it has 
>>> USB connectivity for shared drives, and that it's a dual antenna so can 
>>> separate out networks for different uses. Am mainly concerned with firewall 
>>> protection on the main line coming in. 
>>> 
>>> Have you ever had any issues with the firewall on those?  Also, if you 
>>> didn't have two, do you think your 45 members would bog it down?
>>> 
>>> Thanks again!
>>> 
>>> Josh Aberson
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2011, at 9:24 AM, Pat Ramsey <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Josh,
>>>> 
>>>> Congratulations, first off. Welcome to the fun! 
>>>> 
>>>> What are the connectivity needs of your users? Are they pushing large 
>>>> amounts of code & files daily? Are you serving data from your end? 
>>>> 
>>>> We've always gone with a "reasonable" uplink. Business DSL for a long 
>>>> time, then a cable line in addition, eventually adding fiber for data & 
>>>> keeping a dsl for 1 member's VOIP phone.
>>>> 
>>>> I've been in IT long enough to know you can never have a large enough 
>>>> pipe, so set the expectations early, find out what's the right size 
>>>> without busting your budget & work with your members - know them well 
>>>> enough - to avoid any hurt feelings, problems, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> We're at around 40-ish members now. Our data line is fiber, 5 up / 5 down, 
>>>> I think it is. Our core router is an Airport Extreme base station. Off 
>>>> that is a 24-port gigabit switch, as the space came with some wired data 
>>>> ports. We run another Airport Extreme to extend the cloud in the main 
>>>> room. Extended off that is a Linksys & a D-link wireless router (both 
>>>> flashed with dd-wrt). Each of these has a old network printer attached to 
>>>> it.
>>>> 
>>>> Easy-peasy, pretty much runs itself.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> 
>>>> Pat
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Josh Aberson wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Without getting into too much introduction and details, I'll just cut 
>>>>> right to it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm opening a space next week in South Dakota.  Working on finalizing 
>>>>> details right now, and one thing I'm not too sure about is internet.  
>>>>> We've got 20 members or so pre-signed to move in day 1 and in trying to 
>>>>> plan for the future, am trying to figure out what sort of internet speed 
>>>>> I need, and what sort of router to handle the space's size and amount of 
>>>>> people.  It's a long space, about 150ft, and we could very easily have 
>>>>> 100 people accessing the network at any given time.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any of the larger spaces out there have insight?  I'm currently looking 
>>>>> at an internet speed of 50 down/10up or 100 down/15 up.  Also am looking 
>>>>> at 801.11n routers that have two to three adjustable networks built into 
>>>>> the device.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Would love some thoughts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Aberson
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>> m: 521.6158 | @JoshAberson
> 
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