Case in point: WITHIN the fast food industry, they refer to themselves as “QSRs” or “Quick Service Restaurants”. Sometimes it’s “Fast Casual”. That industry by itself is huge and diverse, even as a subset of the larger restaurant industry.
http://www.qsrmagazine.com/ http://www.qsrweb.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_food_restaurant But tell me one time that you’ve heard someone dining at Micky D’s call it “Fast Casual” :) -Alex On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Alex Hillman <[email protected]> wrote: > "Likening another space to a fast food joint is a little less neutral.” > Lots of people love fast food and don’t think of it as derogatory at all. > Again - the source matters. > -Alex > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Jacob Sayles <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Ah let me clarify. By "neutral" I didn't mean "less specific" I meant >> "less hostile" or actually "more open to the difference". Using terms like >> "Korean BBQ" is a good example of this as it's not derogatory. Likening >> another space to a fast food joint is a little less neutral. >> Jacob >> --- >> Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation >> http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500 >> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Alex Hillman <[email protected] >>> wrote: >>> "If we can find neutral language to highlight distinctions like this it >>> would go a long way to that goal of finding like-minded spaces and filling >>> our communities with happy members.” >>> >>> I don’t think that more *neutral* language is what we need. In fact, I >>> think we need the opposite. >>> >>> The restaurant industry has fine dining and fast food, regional cuisines, >>> varying price points, etc. But people need to have terms like “fast food” >>> and “korean BBQ” to narrow down what they’re looking for. >>> >>> I know that this sounds like fragmentation, which freaks a lot of people >>> out. I think this is HEALTHY fragmentation, though, like this: >>> http://dangerouslyawesome.com/2014/07/theres-never-only-one-community/ >>> >>> It doesn’t mean that we can’t be friends, or even help each other, but I’m >>> firmly convinced that having some more narrow specific terminology to add >>> to add to the more neutral term ‘coworking’ is going to help the industry, >>> not hurt it. >>> >>> -Alex >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Jacob Sayles <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Tricky business for sure. One factor I've been looking more and more at >>>> is the motivations and intentions of the champions behind each community, >>>> or said another way, why the space was started in the first place. There >>>> are many conversations that come up again and again that, with hindsight, I >>>> can see are just a miss-match of intentions. For example the "Open one >>>> space or many spaces" conversation. It's a perfectly reasonable motivation >>>> to want to open multiple spaces and have a wide reach and impact. I >>>> personally started Office Nomads because I want a home and a community I >>>> want to be a member of. Understanding this helps me see why it doesn't >>>> make sense for us to make a chain of Office Nomads, and also why it's a >>>> waste of everyone's time to argue about this. If we can find neutral >>>> language to highlight distinctions like this it would go a long way to that >>>> goal of finding like-minded spaces and filling our communities with happy >>>> members. >>>> >>>> Jacob >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation >>>> http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500 >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Alex Hillman < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I’m pretty sure that Emergent Research has a rubric they use for when >>>>> they do their research for their annual report, but I can’t remember >>>>> exactly what is on it. Having some consistency with that would probably be >>>>> helpful! >>>>> >>>>> I think it had some of the items you described, but it was a lot more >>>>> specific with many of the attributes. Hopefully Steve can chime in! >>>>> >>>>> I used to be more opinionated about self-describing as “coworking” and >>>>> the regular mis-use of the term, but I’ve become more and more comfortable >>>>> with the idea that the word coworking is as specific as the word >>>>> “restaurant”, which doesn’t really describe much on its own. I’d love to >>>>> see more maps (including the one you’re putting together) display with >>>>> more >>>>> detail what people can expect. It’s more important that people find a >>>>> place >>>>> that makes them happy and productive than anything else…and reducing that >>>>> to “coworking” is like reducing fine dining french restaurants and >>>>> mcdonalds to “restaurant”. *Technically* accurate, but not really >>>>> helpful. >>>>> >>>>> Related, this recent post caught my eye (I think Liz posted it from the >>>>> GCUC account): >>>>> http://www.cloudvirtualoffice.com/blog/a-coworking-safari/ >>>>> >>>>> I’m especially interested in the things vary widely, really impact the >>>>> experience, but are hardest to really quantify: things like “ambiance” and >>>>> noise level are such relative descriptions, so the source matters a lot, >>>>> too! Who’s doing the describing: the owner? The members? Visitors? In a >>>>> lot >>>>> of cases, their descriptions vary quite a bit. >>>>> >>>>> To that point, even “non-hostile & friendly” is relative. It’s become a >>>>> common theme that I hear from coworkers who visit startup-centric >>>>> coworking >>>>> spaces that the only time people talk to each other is when they’re >>>>> pitching their startup. For some people, that’s non-hostile and friends >>>>> but >>>>> for others, it’s their worst nightmare. >>>>> >>>>> -Alex >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Ramon Suarez <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm working on a definition of Coworking to make it easier to choose >>>>>> who to include in the map of coworking spaces in Belgium >>>>>> <http://coworkingbelgium.be/belgium-coworking-spaces-map>. I know it >>>>>> can be a controversial subject and I don't want to start a flamewar, but >>>>>> I >>>>>> would like to have your feedback on the basic elements to build this >>>>>> definition. I think it could also be helpful to make it easier to explain >>>>>> to our potential customers and journalists. >>>>>> >>>>>> In my definition a Coworking space : >>>>>> >>>>>> - Calls itself a coworking space. >>>>>> - Has a fully dedicated espace for cowoking (not just a few hours >>>>>> or a cafeteria shared with patrons). >>>>>> - Treats coworkers as 1st class clients, not as a lesser kind to >>>>>> fill unused space. >>>>>> - Has somebody dedicated to connect the members (a facilitator, >>>>>> not an administrative asistant.) >>>>>> - Provides a non hostile and friendly environment that encourages >>>>>> collaboration and interaction. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ramon Suarez >>>>>> Serendipity Accelerator, Betacowork >>>>>> Author: http://coworkinghandbook.com >>>>>> email & hangouts: [email protected] >>>>>> Phone: +3227376769 >>>>>> GSM: +32497556284 >>>>>> Twitter:http://twitter.com/ramonsuarez >>>>>> Skype: ramonsuarez >>>>>> Try coworking: http://betacowork.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://betacowork.com/free-coworking-tryout/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=468x60_banner&utm_content=girl-home&utm_campaign=ramon-signature> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Coworking" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Coworking" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Coworking" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Coworking" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Coworking" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Coworking" group. 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