I'm not sure if this was discussed but a simple 2nd door would've typically allowed occupancy to be above 49 people.
Jerome > On Mar 31, 2015, at 7:35 AM, Glen Ferguson <[email protected]> wrote: > > After many meetings with our architect and making sure he knew our usage > plans - for example, our community room would be used for events and might > only have chairs or standing room only - he dumped the project on one of his > staff and told him "draw up this office." We were pretty surprised to > discover the plans they submitted to the city stipulated 100 sqft/person with > a max occupancy of 19 people for the entire building. Needless to say, we > won't ever be using that architect again. > > We met with the city fire inspector several times and he wasn't an "out of > the box" type of thinker, so we hired our own fire safety engineer to design > a solution to present to the city. Part of the solution was as simple as > adding a bookshelf/serving table in our community room to reduce occupiable > space, the rest were relatively inexpensive modifications to the sprinkler > system - far less expensive than the city's "suggestion" that we dig up the > street and put in a larger water line. > > The end result was the city fire inspector could save face by accepting a > plan another licensed engineer had signed off on, we can have up to 47 people > in our event space and that's not including the other rooms, and we kept the > costs low enough that we didn't abandon the project completely. > > > Glen Ferguson > Phone: 301-732-5165 > Email: [email protected] > Website: http://coworkfrederick.com > Address: 122 E Patrick St, Frederick, MD 21701 > > >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Jerome Chang <[email protected]> wrote: >> Building code inspectors are typically different from fire code inspectors. >> They also typically have different requirements. >> How/when a fire inspector visits is less likely after passing initial >> certificate of occupancy. >> So my guess is that few coworking spaces and few any spaces are flagged, >> unless you typically have a lot of very large events. >> I realize that coworking spaces do have events, but fire inspectors >> typically visit more typical event venues - not “office spaces”. >> >> JEROME CHANG >> >> WEST: Santa Monica >> 1450 2nd Street (@Broadway) | Santa Monica CA 90401 >> ph: (310) 526-2255 >> >> CENTRAL: Mid-Wilshire >> 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) | Los Angeles CA 90036 >> ph: (323) 330-9505 >> >> >> EAST: Downtown >> 529 S. Broadway, Suite 4000 (@Pershing Square) | Los Angeles CA 90013 >> ph: (213) 550-2235 >> >> >> <yelp-s.png><twitter-bird3-square.png><facebook-logo-square.png><linkedin-logo-square2.png><vimeo-s.png> >> >> >>> On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Brian Ahmes <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Interesting, so have any coworking spaces been flagged for too many >>> occupants by the fire marshall? >>> >>> thanks for the response. >>> >>>> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 6:30:56 PM UTC-5, Jerome wrote: >>>> City codes and even landlords are still catching up to understand how we >>>> use our space. >>>> So in the meantime, you should submit to them whatever they need to >>>> certify that your drawings comply w/ codes. >>>> Does this mean showing/not showing furniture? Possibly. Note that city >>>> codes are more concerned about permanently affixed items like walls - not >>>> typically furniture that can be moved/relocated. >>>> >>>> JEROME CHANG >>>> >>>> WEST: Santa Monica >>>> 1450 2nd Street (@Broadway) | Santa Monica CA 90401 >>>> ph: (310) 526-2255 >>>> >>>> CENTRAL: Mid-Wilshire >>>> 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) | Los Angeles CA 90036 >>>> ph: (323) 330-9505 >>>> >>>> >>>> EAST: Downtown >>>> 529 S. Broadway, Suite 4000 (@Pershing Square) | Los Angeles CA 90013 >>>> ph: (213) 550-2235 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mar 30, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Brian Ahmes <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey there, >>>>> let me continue with asking about the building occupancy amount. >>>>> Based on the city, a building with a Business or Mercantile Use type has >>>>> a square footage per occupant defined? My city states 100sf per person, >>>>> even though I can have a space zppx 50sf with a chair and desk. How are >>>>> coworking spaces getting around city codes and occupancy? Just not show >>>>> the furniture in the city permit plans and add later? Any insight would >>>>> be great, because 100sf per person in a coworking space significantly >>>>> reduces the # of members. >>>>> >>>>> thanks, brian >>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:37:10 PM UTC-5, Piper Hood wrote: >>>>>> Thank you Aaron and Jerome. That is helpful. Any input on what >>>>>> percentage you can sell over the spaces you have accounting for people >>>>>> not using the space regularly? >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 12:38:48 PM UTC-4, Aaron Cruikshank wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Piper, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 40 sqft per desk seems reasonable. Just make sure you're measuring out >>>>>>> common areas. Most spaces have 25-30% set aside for meeting rooms, >>>>>>> lounges, kitchenettes, hallways, phone booths, etc... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Aaron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________ >>>>>>> Aaron Cruikshank >>>>>>> Principal, CRUIKSHANK >>>>>>> Phone: 778.908.4560 >>>>>>> email: [email protected] >>>>>>> web: cruikshank.me >>>>>>> twitter: @cruikshank >>>>>>> book a meeting: doodle.com/cruikshank >>>>>>> linkedin: linkedin.com/in/cruikshank >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2015 9:35 AM, "'Piper Hood' via Coworking" >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> I am in the process of leasing space for a new coworking business. Is >>>>>>>> there any industry standard for # SQ Ft needed per person? For >>>>>>>> example, I am thinking 40 square feet for each seat I can sell >>>>>>>> (averaged out for shared, dedicated desk and mini office suites), so a >>>>>>>> 4,000 square foot space would allow me to sell 100 memberships. Also, >>>>>>>> is there a standard # or percentage you can oversell by? 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