> > I'm not sure if this was discussed but a simple 2nd door would've > typically allowed occupancy to be above 49 people.
Jerome, it was, I just omitted some of the details to keep from being too wordy. We also looked at an auxiliary pump with 1500 gal storage tank in the basement to supplement sprinkler water flow, but that was too out there and unheard of for the city. We only have a single exit door to a public area. We're landlocked on the other 3 sides by private property. That's also a limitation that keeps us from solving our lack of handicap access. Well, that and being in the historic district both present an interesting set of constraints to work with. Though in all, we're really pleased with our location and the solutions we've come up with. *Glen Ferguson* Phone: 301-732-5165 Email: [email protected] <[email protected]> Website: http://coworkfrederick.com Address: 122 E Patrick St, Frederick, MD 21701 On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Jerome Chang <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm not sure if this was discussed but a simple 2nd door would've > typically allowed occupancy to be above 49 people. > > > Jerome > > On Mar 31, 2015, at 7:35 AM, Glen Ferguson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > After many meetings with our architect and making sure he knew our usage > plans - for example, our community room would be used for events and might > only have chairs or standing room only - he dumped the project on one of > his staff and told him "draw up this office." We were pretty surprised to > discover the plans they submitted to the city stipulated 100 sqft/person > with a max occupancy of 19 people for the entire building. Needless to say, > we won't ever be using that architect again. > > We met with the city fire inspector several times and he wasn't an "out of > the box" type of thinker, so we hired our own fire safety engineer to > design a solution to present to the city. Part of the solution was as > simple as adding a bookshelf/serving table in our community room to reduce > occupiable space, the rest were relatively inexpensive modifications to the > sprinkler system - far less expensive than the city's "suggestion" that we > dig up the street and put in a larger water line. > > The end result was the city fire inspector could save face by accepting a > plan another licensed engineer had signed off on, we can have up to 47 > people in our event space and that's not including the other rooms, and we > kept the costs low enough that we didn't abandon the project completely. > > > *Glen Ferguson* > Phone: 301-732-5165 > Email: [email protected] <http://[email protected]> > Website: http://coworkfrederick.com > Address: 122 E Patrick St, Frederick, MD 21701 > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Jerome Chang <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Building code inspectors are typically different from fire code >> inspectors. >> They also typically have different requirements. >> How/when a fire inspector visits is less likely after passing initial >> certificate of occupancy. >> So my guess is that few coworking spaces and few any spaces are flagged, >> unless you typically have a lot of very large events. >> I realize that coworking spaces do have events, but fire inspectors >> typically visit more typical event venues - not “office spaces”. >> >> >> *JEROME CHANG* >> >> *WEST: Santa Monica* >> 1450 2nd Street (@Broadway) | Santa Monica CA 90401 >> ph: (310) 526-2255 >> >> *CENTRAL: Mid-Wilshire* >> 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) | Los Angeles CA 90036 >> ph: (323) 330-9505 >> >> *EAST: Downtown* >> 529 S. Broadway, Suite 4000 (@Pershing Square) | Los Angeles CA 90013 >> ph: (213) 550-2235 >> >> >> <yelp-s.png> <http://www.yelp.com/biz/blankspaces-los-angeles> >> <twitter-bird3-square.png> <https://twitter.com/BLANKSPACES> >> <facebook-logo-square.png> >> <https://www.facebook.com/pages/BLANKSPACES/132257631339> >> <https://www.facebook.com/pages/BLANKSPACES/132257631339> >> <linkedin-logo-square2.png> >> <http://www.linkedin.com/company/blankspaces?trk=top_nav_home> >> <vimeo-s.png> <http://vimeo.com/blankspaces> >> <http://vimeo.com/blankspaces> >> On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Brian Ahmes <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Interesting, so have any coworking spaces been flagged for too many >> occupants by the fire marshall? >> >> thanks for the response. >> >> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 6:30:56 PM UTC-5, Jerome wrote: >>> >>> City codes and even landlords are still catching up to understand how we >>> use our space. >>> So in the meantime, you should submit to them whatever they need to >>> certify that your drawings comply w/ codes. >>> Does this mean showing/not showing furniture? Possibly. Note that city >>> codes are more concerned about permanently affixed items like walls - not >>> typically furniture that can be moved/relocated. >>> >>> >>> *JEROME CHANG* >>> >>> *WEST: Santa Monica* >>> 1450 2nd Street (@Broadway) | Santa Monica CA 90401 >>> ph: (310) 526-2255 >>> >>> *CENTRAL: Mid-Wilshire* >>> 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) | Los Angeles CA 90036 >>> ph: (323) 330-9505 >>> >>> *EAST: Downtown* >>> 529 S. Broadway, Suite 4000 (@Pershing Square) | Los Angeles CA 90013 >>> ph: (213) 550-2235 >>> >>> >>> <http://www.yelp.com/biz/blankspaces-los-angeles> >>> <https://twitter.com/BLANKSPACES> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/pages/BLANKSPACES/132257631339> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/pages/BLANKSPACES/132257631339> >>> <http://www.linkedin.com/company/blankspaces?trk=top_nav_home> >>> <http://vimeo.com/blankspaces> >>> <http://vimeo.com/blankspaces> >>> On Mar 30, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Brian Ahmes <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hey there, >>> let me continue with asking about the building occupancy amount. >>> Based on the city, a building with a Business or Mercantile Use type has a >>> square footage per occupant defined? My city states 100sf per person, even >>> though I can have a space zppx 50sf with a chair and desk. How are >>> coworking spaces getting around city codes and occupancy? Just not show >>> the furniture in the city permit plans and add later? Any insight would be >>> great, because 100sf per person in a coworking space significantly reduces >>> the # of members. >>> >>> thanks, brian >>> >>> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:37:10 PM UTC-5, Piper Hood wrote: >>>> >>>> Thank you Aaron and Jerome. That is helpful. Any input on what >>>> percentage you can sell over the spaces you have accounting for people not >>>> using the space regularly? >>>> >>>> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 12:38:48 PM UTC-4, Aaron Cruikshank wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Piper, >>>>> >>>>> 40 sqft per desk seems reasonable. Just make sure you're measuring >>>>> out common areas. Most spaces have 25-30% set aside for meeting rooms, >>>>> lounges, kitchenettes, hallways, phone booths, etc... >>>>> >>>>> - Aaron >>>>> >>>>> _______________ >>>>> Aaron Cruikshank >>>>> Principal, CRUIKSHANK >>>>> Phone: 778.908.4560 >>>>> email: [email protected] >>>>> web: cruikshank.me >>>>> twitter: @cruikshank >>>>> book a meeting: doodle.com/cruikshank >>>>> linkedin: linkedin.com/in/cruikshank >>>>> On Mar 30, 2015 9:35 AM, "'Piper Hood' via Coworking" < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I am in the process of leasing space for a new coworking business. Is >>>>>> there any industry standard for # SQ Ft needed per person? For example, I >>>>>> am thinking 40 square feet for each seat I can sell (averaged out for >>>>>> shared, dedicated desk and mini office suites), so a 4,000 square foot >>>>>> space would allow me to sell 100 memberships. Also, is there a standard >>>>>> # >>>>>> or percentage you can oversell by? 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