There's another potential detail, that the 2nd door be certain 1/3 diagonal distance away from the 1st door. Was that considered?
Jerome On Mar 31, 2015, at 8:38 AM, Glen Ferguson <[email protected]> wrote: >> I'm not sure if this was discussed but a simple 2nd door would've typically >> allowed occupancy to be above 49 people. > > Jerome, it was, I just omitted some of the details to keep from being too > wordy. We also looked at an auxiliary pump with 1500 gal storage tank in the > basement to supplement sprinkler water flow, but that was too out there and > unheard of for the city. > > We only have a single exit door to a public area. We're landlocked on the > other 3 sides by private property. That's also a limitation that keeps us > from solving our lack of handicap access. Well, that and being in the > historic district both present an interesting set of constraints to work > with. Though in all, we're really pleased with our location and the solutions > we've come up with. > > > Glen Ferguson > Phone: 301-732-5165 > Email: [email protected] > Website: http://coworkfrederick.com > Address: 122 E Patrick St, Frederick, MD 21701 > > >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Jerome Chang <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> I'm not sure if this was discussed but a simple 2nd door would've typically >> allowed occupancy to be above 49 people. >> >> >> Jerome >> >>> On Mar 31, 2015, at 7:35 AM, Glen Ferguson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> After many meetings with our architect and making sure he knew our usage >>> plans - for example, our community room would be used for events and might >>> only have chairs or standing room only - he dumped the project on one of >>> his staff and told him "draw up this office." We were pretty surprised to >>> discover the plans they submitted to the city stipulated 100 sqft/person >>> with a max occupancy of 19 people for the entire building. Needless to say, >>> we won't ever be using that architect again. >>> >>> We met with the city fire inspector several times and he wasn't an "out of >>> the box" type of thinker, so we hired our own fire safety engineer to >>> design a solution to present to the city. Part of the solution was as >>> simple as adding a bookshelf/serving table in our community room to reduce >>> occupiable space, the rest were relatively inexpensive modifications to the >>> sprinkler system - far less expensive than the city's "suggestion" that we >>> dig up the street and put in a larger water line. >>> >>> The end result was the city fire inspector could save face by accepting a >>> plan another licensed engineer had signed off on, we can have up to 47 >>> people in our event space and that's not including the other rooms, and we >>> kept the costs low enough that we didn't abandon the project completely. >>> >>> >>> Glen Ferguson >>> Phone: 301-732-5165 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> Website: http://coworkfrederick.com >>> Address: 122 E Patrick St, Frederick, MD 21701 >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Jerome Chang <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> Building code inspectors are typically different from fire code inspectors. >>>> They also typically have different requirements. >>>> How/when a fire inspector visits is less likely after passing initial >>>> certificate of occupancy. >>>> So my guess is that few coworking spaces and few any spaces are flagged, >>>> unless you typically have a lot of very large events. >>>> I realize that coworking spaces do have events, but fire inspectors >>>> typically visit more typical event venues - not “office spaces”. >>>> >>>> >>>> JEROME CHANG >>>> >>>> WEST: Santa Monica >>>> 1450 2nd Street (@Broadway) | Santa Monica CA 90401 >>>> ph: (310) 526-2255 >>>> >>>> CENTRAL: Mid-Wilshire >>>> 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) | Los Angeles CA 90036 >>>> ph: (323) 330-9505 >>>> >>>> >>>> EAST: Downtown >>>> 529 S. Broadway, Suite 4000 (@Pershing Square) | Los Angeles CA 90013 >>>> ph: (213) 550-2235 >>>> >>>> >>>> <yelp-s.png><twitter-bird3-square.png><facebook-logo-square.png><linkedin-logo-square2.png><vimeo-s.png> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Brian Ahmes <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Interesting, so have any coworking spaces been flagged for too many >>>>> occupants by the fire marshall? >>>>> >>>>> thanks for the response. >>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 6:30:56 PM UTC-5, Jerome wrote: >>>>>> City codes and even landlords are still catching up to understand how we >>>>>> use our space. >>>>>> So in the meantime, you should submit to them whatever they need to >>>>>> certify that your drawings comply w/ codes. >>>>>> Does this mean showing/not showing furniture? Possibly. Note that city >>>>>> codes are more concerned about permanently affixed items like walls - >>>>>> not typically furniture that can be moved/relocated. >>>>>> >>>>>> JEROME CHANG >>>>>> >>>>>> WEST: Santa Monica >>>>>> 1450 2nd Street (@Broadway) | Santa Monica CA 90401 >>>>>> ph: (310) 526-2255 >>>>>> >>>>>> CENTRAL: Mid-Wilshire >>>>>> 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) | Los Angeles CA 90036 >>>>>> ph: (323) 330-9505 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> EAST: Downtown >>>>>> 529 S. Broadway, Suite 4000 (@Pershing Square) | Los Angeles CA 90013 >>>>>> ph: (213) 550-2235 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Brian Ahmes <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey there, >>>>>>> let me continue with asking about the building occupancy amount. >>>>>>> Based on the city, a building with a Business or Mercantile Use type >>>>>>> has a square footage per occupant defined? My city states 100sf per >>>>>>> person, even though I can have a space zppx 50sf with a chair and desk. >>>>>>> How are coworking spaces getting around city codes and occupancy? >>>>>>> Just not show the furniture in the city permit plans and add later? >>>>>>> Any insight would be great, because 100sf per person in a coworking >>>>>>> space significantly reduces the # of members. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks, brian >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:37:10 PM UTC-5, Piper Hood wrote: >>>>>>>> Thank you Aaron and Jerome. That is helpful. Any input on what >>>>>>>> percentage you can sell over the spaces you have accounting for people >>>>>>>> not using the space regularly? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 12:38:48 PM UTC-4, Aaron Cruikshank >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Piper, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 40 sqft per desk seems reasonable. Just make sure you're measuring >>>>>>>>> out common areas. Most spaces have 25-30% set aside for meeting >>>>>>>>> rooms, lounges, kitchenettes, hallways, phone booths, etc... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Aaron >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________ >>>>>>>>> Aaron Cruikshank >>>>>>>>> Principal, CRUIKSHANK >>>>>>>>> Phone: 778.908.4560 >>>>>>>>> email: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> web: cruikshank.me >>>>>>>>> twitter: @cruikshank >>>>>>>>> book a meeting: doodle.com/cruikshank >>>>>>>>> linkedin: linkedin.com/in/cruikshank >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2015 9:35 AM, "'Piper Hood' via Coworking" >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I am in the process of leasing space for a new coworking business. >>>>>>>>>> Is there any industry standard for # SQ Ft needed per person? For >>>>>>>>>> example, I am thinking 40 square feet for each seat I can sell >>>>>>>>>> (averaged out for shared, dedicated desk and mini office suites), so >>>>>>>>>> a 4,000 square foot space would allow me to sell 100 memberships. >>>>>>>>>> Also, is there a standard # or percentage you can oversell by? >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any help for the newbie! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups "Coworking" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Coworking" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "Coworking" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Coworking" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Coworking" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Coworking" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Coworking" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Coworking" group. 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