Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Faustine: > > > > > > I can't see why, when I make a general statement about > > > > > > the importance of not coming across like a paranoid, > > > > > > someone mistakenly thinks I'm referring to him, I > > > > > > explain I wasn't and apologize > > James A. Donald: > > > > > But your "apology" presupposed that he, (snip) > > Faustine: > > > > No it didn't. > > James A. Donald: > > > I notice you deleted the claim that you are supposedly > > > rebutting, and then, as usual, proceeded to rebut an entirely > > > different claim, one that I did not make, and then proceeded > > > to accuse me of saying all manner of stupid things that I did > > > not say. > > > > > > The claim that I made, and that you have conspicuously failed > > > to deny, was that: > > > : : your "apology" presupposed he, (and all who > > > : : disagree with you) to be your inferiors, ignorant, > > > : : and benighted, that we hold foolish views because > > > : : we are ignorant trailer trash blinded by rigid > > > : : ideology,. that if we bothered to check the facts, > > > : : facts you do not bother to research, check, or > > > : : present, we would discover that you were right and > > > : : we are wrong. > > Faustine: > > I addressed it with the following: > > > > : : That's an entirely different issue from the other > > : : ones you raised about my beliefs and motivations, > > : : which totally aren't warranted. > > > I said that your "apology" was an insult. Only because you were seeing a "hidden nasty meaning" in it that wasn't there. I don't think I could have said anything to him you wouldn't have taken as an insult, given that you were so upset about the other (unrelated) thread. And how you make the leap that I feel a certain way about "everyone here" defies all logic. The bottom line is some people I read, some people I filter. Some people are entertaining, some are boring as hell. Some I respect, some I don't. Some I agree with, some not. Here's a matrix to make it perfectly clear exactly what I may or may not feel towards any given person here at any point in time: 1 agree read entertaining respect 2 agree read entertaining don't respect 3 agree read boring respect 4 agree read boring don't respect 5 agree don't read entertaining respect 6 agree don't read entertaining don't respect 7 agree don't read boring respect 8 agree don't read boring don't respect 9 disagree read entertaining respect 10 disagree read entertaining don't respect 11 disagree read boring respect 12 disagree read boring don't respect 13 disagree don't read entertaining respect 14 disagree don't read entertaining don't respect 15 disagree don't read boring respect 16 disagree don't read boring don't respect LOL! You think I'm a 12? Then turn me into a 16! I usually don't see the point in trading insults for their own sake. if you're going to be nasty at LEAST let it be over a real issue. That's the way I operate in real life, why should conversation be any different just because it's online. >I did not say that you have > insulting beliefs. I do not know, and cannot know, your beliefs and > motivations. True, you can't. So why bother claiming that I think "all who disagree with (me) to be (my) inferiors, ignorant, and benighted, that we hold foolish views because we are ignorant trailer trash blinded by rigid ideology"? Like I said, you were claiming things about what I supposedly think and believe that weren't warranted. When you say I thought "we would discover that you were right and we are wrong" you were trying to get in my head. And doing a lousy job of it. You thought I believed all the above blather, and certainly seemed insulted by it to the point you claimed I thought "everyone here was paranoid". Your interpretation was so off base I honestly don't see how you could have got that out of what I wrote. >I do not believe that you believe what you say, or say what you believe, And I guess you never will as long as you've got the hotline on my "hidden nasty meanings" to validate whatever you want to think about me. I wonder why you think I'd bother writing from COTSE if not to be able to express myself here however I want. Chalk it up to some kind of "hidden nasty" motivation again, I guess. > so I am disinclined to raise issues about your > beliefs and motivations. You just did when you said that in your opinion I don't believe what I say or say what I believe. That's a hell of a claim to make about someone. Just because you archly decline to spell out whatever made you think such a thing doesn't change the substance of it. Devolving into absolutes again... > > Unlike you, I never claimed to know what people here know or > > don't know. > > You confidently assured us we were ignorant of economics, Where's the proof? I did no such thing. Re-read the threads and you'll see you spun up this whole baroque controversy entirely out of your head. > proceeded to produce what you imagined to be evidence of this, > though your "evidence" revealed your own ignorance. How ridiculous, I didn't do anything of the kind. Sure, I was ignorant of Friedman's best work, asked for someone to point me to something more susbstantial than the essays I read (one of which featured a most UNimpressive use of a model); Vogt did, I thanked him, apologized for an inadvertent insult, apology accepted, works read, that settled it. Except for this whole personality problem BS which is probably boring everybody silly. Anybody who bothered to read this far knows by now that you vehemently assert that I'm "nasty, arrogant, and ignorant". Whereas all I'm saying is that any reasonable person should find it pretty obvious when I'm being nasty and arrogant and when I'm not, and that when I'm ignorant(as is any human being sometime or another) I admit it, and when I insult someone without meaning to, I apologize. What else is there to say after you tell someone to fuck off? People decide for themselves. ~Faustine. **** It is exceptional that one should be able to acquire the understanding of a process without having previously acquired a deep familiarity with running it, with using it, before one has assimilated it in an instinctive and empirical way... Thus any discussion of the nature of intellectual effort in any field is difficult, unless it presupposes an easy, routine familiarity with that field. -- John von Neumann There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're talking about. -- John von Neumann
