In response to the myopic question:
> >What can this statement even mean?
Julien writes the following:
>a global overthrow of capitalism would probably diminish
>the exploitation of third world countries who currently sell their products
>cheap
>on the world markets. If capitalism was overthrown in one country only,
>this
>probably wouldn't happen.
>If that still isn't clear to you, I can try in French.
hee hee, nice comeback, J.
Actually you are being quite conservative in your speculations, and only
mildly illustrate the tip of the downside iceberg.
To reluctantly -- and respectfully -- disagree with Mark, I think that this
thread can actually be useful in getting us back to a discussion of the
CRASH, instead of this interminable Party Congress bickering that
sooooooooooooo characterized the last century's abortive misadventure with
Socialist hoogy moogy.
so:
2 thought experiments:
1) Try to imagine the mechanisms and processes that would "overthrow global
capitalism" in the short time it is about to take to permanently deplete the
energy that global capitalism slumbers upon. In the course of imagining
that, try to imagine ANY wages rising other than those of the armed and
uniformed individuals doing the overthrowing. (those of you who wish to
fantasize that the overthrowers will be the workers of the world, please
meet me on the Brooklyn Bridge, which is still for sale to you, -- and you
only -- at a discount for your blind ideological loyalty.)
2)Try to imagine the social, economic, political and cultural dislocations
involved in a sudden fractionalization of global capitalism into its
constituent "local" subassemblies, and then for extra bonus points imagine
the subassemblies going south. Imagine the new forms of economic systems and
organizations it would require to keep wages at the current level for 6
billion souls, much less insure an increase. Imagine a system that will
insure that 6 billion SURVIVE, much less engage in economic activity.
3) Now try to imagine wages increasing in the face of the ecosystem
disintegration that ultimatly comes as the payoff of "global capitalism":
global warming, energy depletion, mass species extinction, pandemic disease
and the devaluation of human life as "capitalism" lashes out in its last
gasps.
Oops that was three experiments, I went too far. Sorry, you may choose any
or none. <g> Julien, you can deal out my punishment.
Try imagining the Crash for a bit, folks. You know ....as in "Crashlist"??
Tom
"Waiter! .. more ice!!!" -- Time Bandits, aboard the Titanic
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
_______________________________________________
Crashlist resources: http://website.lineone.net/~resource_base
To change your options or unsubscribe go to:
http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/crashlist
