great thoughts, Tom, very on-point!
thanks,
Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 21:50
Subject: [CrashList] Re: workers in a first world country
> In response to the myopic question:
>
> > >What can this statement even mean?
>
> Julien writes the following:
>
> >a global overthrow of capitalism would probably diminish
> >the exploitation of third world countries who currently sell their
products
> >cheap
> >on the world markets. If capitalism was overthrown in one country only,
> >this
> >probably wouldn't happen.
> >If that still isn't clear to you, I can try in French.
>
> hee hee, nice comeback, J.
>
> Actually you are being quite conservative in your speculations, and only
> mildly illustrate the tip of the downside iceberg.
>
> To reluctantly -- and respectfully -- disagree with Mark, I think that
this
> thread can actually be useful in getting us back to a discussion of the
> CRASH, instead of this interminable Party Congress bickering that
> sooooooooooooo characterized the last century's abortive misadventure with
> Socialist hoogy moogy.
>
> so:
>
> 2 thought experiments:
>
> 1) Try to imagine the mechanisms and processes that would "overthrow
global
> capitalism" in the short time it is about to take to permanently deplete
the
> energy that global capitalism slumbers upon. In the course of imagining
> that, try to imagine ANY wages rising other than those of the armed and
> uniformed individuals doing the overthrowing. (those of you who wish to
> fantasize that the overthrowers will be the workers of the world, please
> meet me on the Brooklyn Bridge, which is still for sale to you, -- and you
> only -- at a discount for your blind ideological loyalty.)
>
> 2)Try to imagine the social, economic, political and cultural dislocations
> involved in a sudden fractionalization of global capitalism into its
> constituent "local" subassemblies, and then for extra bonus points imagine
> the subassemblies going south. Imagine the new forms of economic systems
and
> organizations it would require to keep wages at the current level for 6
> billion souls, much less insure an increase. Imagine a system that will
> insure that 6 billion SURVIVE, much less engage in economic activity.
>
> 3) Now try to imagine wages increasing in the face of the ecosystem
> disintegration that ultimatly comes as the payoff of "global capitalism":
> global warming, energy depletion, mass species extinction, pandemic
disease
> and the devaluation of human life as "capitalism" lashes out in its last
> gasps.
>
> Oops that was three experiments, I went too far. Sorry, you may choose any
> or none. <g> Julien, you can deal out my punishment.
>
> Try imagining the Crash for a bit, folks. You know ....as in "Crashlist"??
>
>
> Tom
>
> "Waiter! .. more ice!!!" -- Time Bandits, aboard the Titanic
>
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