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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony Abdo
> Sent: 08 October 2000 17:10
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [CrashList] In Defense of The Bridges
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> The CrashList has evolved into a list that is distinct in
> the bridges it
> has created. The Green-Red bridge is the main one that
> subscribers
> are focused on, but there is also an even smaller
> Black-Red-(and Green?)
> bridge here also (Andrej/ Jared), standing on very shaky
> foundations.
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> The future of these bridges is in having an environment
> where no side,
> Green, Red, or Black, will find itself ENDLESSLY badgered
> from another
> angle. Happily, maybe all three of these divisions can
> reach deep
> inside, and find that none of these ideoogies of strugggle
> really should
> consider itself the Master of The Universe, like the ruling
> elite that
> we oppose, considers itself.
>
> Part of the resentment towards the Red sector of this list
> accrues from,
> that when the Red component actually did take state power, it became
> just as arrogant and dimissive (and deadly) to the Green and Black
> position, as the capitalist elite is today.
>
> That being said, it should be reinforced that many marxists
> do support
> Green issues. Nestor, Tahir, and Mark on this list being three
> examples. But there are other examples also, besides just the
> supporting comments from some of the Red subscribers on CrashList.
>
> The paper of an Australian communist group prominent on
> several of the
> Left marxist lists is called Geen Left Weekly. This is no
> aberration, since the paper genuinely does address Green issues
> frequently.
>
> Another example, is in the endorsement of the Green Party candidate,
> Ralph Nader, by several US marxist/ communist organizations.
> Granted they are endorsing Ralph more because they are
> impressed with
> his Red-like positions, than with his Greenness. But
> never-the-less, there is endorsement, not hostility.
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> Similarly, there is a positive inter-relationship between
> the Black- Red
> component, as many of tthe Red organizations are working
> with Blacks.
> And vice-versa. The Seatlle protest was built on these
> three blocks,
> Red, Green, Black. And that relationship has continued
> in all the
> protests since, up to and including Prague.
>
> As a marxist, I would like to think the Green and Black CrashList
> subscribers for being on this list. I can't say that I
> rush out and
> read all the things it is suggested us marxists should
> read. And I
> wouldn't expect non-marxists to rush out and dive into 'Capital",
> either. Or the 'Little Red Book' even.
>
> But your presence together with us in one forum is great,
> and has opened
> some marxist eyes and ears to arguments we might not always
> pay so much
> attention to, though we should. And I would like to think that
> Greens and Blacks can also get some VALUE from exposure to the Red
> arguments.
>
> It is also necessary to add for the marxists on the list, that the
> burden is on the marxists to prove that we are worth listening to at
> all. We think we should be given total respect, since
> we have been
> so totally SUCCESSFUL! But that history of 'success'
> has been so
> totally UNSUCCESSFUL historically in addressing the concerns of our
> Green and Black comrades, that we have it twisted
> backwards, as well as
> being right in our own minds.
>
> Now, if maybe we could also work on building the Red- Black bridge.
> There is already a Black-Green bridge. More so, than Turtles and
> Teamsters.
>
> Tony Abdo
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