My mistake, this was offlist. Tony has moved to a new job and that's
why he will be away for a while.
I'm sure we all wish him good luck and big success
Mark
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Jones
> Sent: 08 October 2000 19:15
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [CrashList] offlist
>
>
> I see you've unsubbed, care to say why? I'll be sorry to see you go
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony Abdo
> > Sent: 08 October 2000 17:10
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [CrashList] In Defense of The Bridges
> >
> >
> > The CrashList has evolved into a list that is distinct in
> > the bridges it
> > has created. The Green-Red bridge is the main one that
> > subscribers
> > are focused on, but there is also an even smaller
> > Black-Red-(and Green?)
> > bridge here also (Andrej/ Jared), standing on very shaky
> > foundations.
> >
> > The future of these bridges is in having an environment
> > where no side,
> > Green, Red, or Black, will find itself ENDLESSLY badgered
> > from another
> > angle. Happily, maybe all three of these divisions can
> > reach deep
> > inside, and find that none of these ideoogies of strugggle
> > really should
> > consider itself the Master of The Universe, like the ruling
> > elite that
> > we oppose, considers itself.
> >
> > Part of the resentment towards the Red sector of this list
> > accrues from,
> > that when the Red component actually did take state
> power, it became
> > just as arrogant and dimissive (and deadly) to the Green and Black
> > position, as the capitalist elite is today.
> >
> > That being said, it should be reinforced that many marxists
> > do support
> > Green issues. Nestor, Tahir, and Mark on this list being three
> > examples. But there are other examples also, besides just the
> > supporting comments from some of the Red subscribers on CrashList.
> >
> > The paper of an Australian communist group prominent on
> > several of the
> > Left marxist lists is called Geen Left Weekly. This is no
> > aberration, since the paper genuinely does address Green issues
> > frequently.
> >
> > Another example, is in the endorsement of the Green Party
> candidate,
> > Ralph Nader, by several US marxist/ communist organizations.
> > Granted they are endorsing Ralph more because they are
> > impressed with
> > his Red-like positions, than with his Greenness. But
> > never-the-less, there is endorsement, not hostility.
> >
> > Similarly, there is a positive inter-relationship between
> > the Black- Red
> > component, as many of tthe Red organizations are working
> > with Blacks.
> > And vice-versa. The Seatlle protest was built on these
> > three blocks,
> > Red, Green, Black. And that relationship has continued
> > in all the
> > protests since, up to and including Prague.
> >
> > As a marxist, I would like to think the Green and Black CrashList
> > subscribers for being on this list. I can't say that I
> > rush out and
> > read all the things it is suggested us marxists should
> > read. And I
> > wouldn't expect non-marxists to rush out and dive into 'Capital",
> > either. Or the 'Little Red Book' even.
> >
> > But your presence together with us in one forum is great,
> > and has opened
> > some marxist eyes and ears to arguments we might not always
> > pay so much
> > attention to, though we should. And I would like to
> think that
> > Greens and Blacks can also get some VALUE from exposure to the Red
> > arguments.
> >
> > It is also necessary to add for the marxists on the list, that the
> > burden is on the marxists to prove that we are worth
> listening to at
> > all. We think we should be given total respect, since
> > we have been
> > so totally SUCCESSFUL! But that history of 'success'
> > has been so
> > totally UNSUCCESSFUL historically in addressing the
> concerns of our
> > Green and Black comrades, that we have it twisted
> > backwards, as well as
> > being right in our own minds.
> >
> > Now, if maybe we could also work on building the Red-
> Black bridge.
> > There is already a Black-Green bridge. More so, than
> Turtles and
> > Teamsters.
> >
> > Tony Abdo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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