Thanks, will perhaps do that, but crashlist is not a priority in my busy
schedule...
More about it off list in a little while
Best
Yves
PS: I'll follow your instructions about unsubbing. May re-join later..
At 10:41 PM 18/10/00 +0200, you wrote:
>Yves,
>
> >There are a lot of snap messages expressing opinions about the
> >advantages of Marxism over the NC system
>
>Marxism not a system competing with the NC (neo-colonial?) one AFAIK.
>
> >2. How to unsub is unclear
>
>I found that to be *extremely* clear. The WW soft is better than most list
>software IMHO.
>Go to the list's website, scroll to the bottom, enter your email address, and
>follow the instructions.
>
> >By the way, Marxism is as irrelevant to rep-sent circumstances than any
> >form of liberalism or conservatist capitalism. Both are at the extremes of
> >the same approach to the issue of human behaviour: they differ in the
> >manner in which the spoils of the ecosystem and society's exploitation
> >should be shared among participants in the economy. This is absolutely not
> >the problem now.
>
>Of course this is not the main problem. But the "Marxism" you're talking
>about
>looks strangely similar to the traditonal programs of the mainstream left
>(the
>ones they abandoned years ago)... Tell me, what do you call "Marxism"?
>For me, marxism is mainly a critique of the capitalist economic system and of
>the nation-state, not a blueprint for a new society. There are indeed
>parts of
>the huge marxist corpus which look like a blueprint for building something
>new
>and I didn't find this stuff very eco-friendly, but so what? Why do we
>have do
>adopt this "all or nothing" mentality?
>
> >Yet, I maintain that discussing about the respective merits of
> >philosophies hatched under circumstances that prevailed 150 to 200 years
> >ago can be comparable to the subject of the discussion among the orthodox
> >bishops and other church dignitaries in Constantinople in 1453.
>
>Does this mean that you think that our current situation is as unrelated
>to the
>"philosophies" that prevailed a century or two ago as theological hair-
>splitting? It's not the differences between catholics and orthodoxs
>theologians
>which created the trouble we're in, right? And there is a connection between
>the industrial revolution and what is happening, right?
>
>Yves, if you want to increase the interest of this list, instead of
>moaning against
>a reified "Marxism", why not post about this approach that marxists and
>capitalists share in your opinion? What you're talking about is far from
>obvious
>for everyone. You don't even have to write it yourself. You can forward
>stimulating and challenging stuff to the list.
>
>Julien
>
>
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