Carrol,
>I have devoted half a lifetime to the study of ways
>to get people into the auditorium. You seem utterly
>to disregard that little problem
Carrol, may I repeat my ignorant request? Would you devote five minutes of your
life to point us toward some effective way of getting masses in the auditorium. I
know no practical one besides achieving something big. That can bring you the
attention of people who are already seeking to achieve the same kind of stuff.
Anyway, I don't think Tom is trying to convince the masses with his arguments
(please correct me Tom if I'm mistaken).
Tom,
>1) if one persists in requiring the Marxist Revolution and class justice be
>reality before attacking the issues of biospherics, the rough calculations
>of our �footprint� now provide us with arithmetic to compute when the
>Marxist endgame must occur, or when -- at least -- Marxists in denial will
>finally be forced to open an eye �
Tom, if the situation is as bad as you and many other say, the only alternative to
have class justice and/or the end of capitalism come first (or at least,
simultaneously) is a nightmarish green and/or malthusian dictatorship. I hope this
sentence is not too obscure. Anyway, what I mean is that radical green reform
within the current economic framework means far too much suffering for the
masses. They would have to be controlled far more strictly or be reduced in
numbers violently. I'm not arguing that marxism is the only way forward, of course,
but how do you except to be able to put biospherics first at the expense of most
people?
BTW, nothing can force people to open an eye. They must be willing. If it was no so
easy for us to lie to ourselves, we wouldn't be in such a mess.
>2) nothing in The End Of The World As We Know It scenarios requires that any
>single locality must slide over the edge into the abyss. A shift to
>bioregional understanding will save your community and your grandchildren
>(nothing much in the way of justice can be done for our grandfathers, I�m
>afraid.)
Well, if you live in some of the naturally rich (compared to the population density)
regions of the world, that is. Now, tell me: Who owns the land and resources in your
region? If the answer is the people of that region, you're lucky. If not, then
economic
justice is obviously a prerequisite to "bioregional understanding" (if I understand
what you mean with that phrase). If you know a way to evade the important issue of
land ownership, tell me.
>... the nasty capitalist players who
>WILL remain in charge of the Titanic as she slides under the waves. WE can
>do a lot to at least keep them from punching more holes in humanity�s
>lifeboats.
So you say that they will stay in control no matter what but that we are nevertheless
able to control them in some way so that they puch less holes? I don't get it.
>"The soul is the same in all living creatures, although the body of each is
>different." ~ Hippocrates
If you've got time, I'm wondering how other philosophers of that period stand on the
issue? Is he an original?
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