When it comes to formulating solutions, the neo-Malthusians, like their titular genie,
don't want to look at class formation, class exploitation/conflict and class rule.
Their approach is to accept their own class position in the inherited structure and
then to posit either of two approaches: a rightist ("let them eat cake, because we
can't/won't provide them with more bread"), or
a leftist-seeming ("it is undeveloped individual consciousness or thinking or spirit
that is the problem; people must become more humane,. or less anthropocentric, or more
spiritually in tune with nature/god/goddess," etc.).
In the dialogue below, we see how it plays out between philosophica//historical
idealism and philosophica/historical materialism. The spiritualists' rebuttal to CB
will be, "Well, we will look 1,000,000 years back. So there! And if you look 2,000,000
years back, we will look back and back to the Big Bang."
Tom: 2)looking for the root causes of the environmental AND the economic disaster
that DOES concern you must begin 10,000 years before the beginnings of
capitalism. Starting *only* with the industrial revolution or even feudalism
is misguided and counterproductive if you wish to survive on the planet
beyond 2100.
((((((((((
CB: Once again, here is a point at which materialism, historical materialism
,impinges. Actually, in this case, we agree with you. Our perspective on capitalism is
based on a theory , historical materialism, which understands it in relation to the
whole history of humanity, 52, 000 years, or even earlier. We also give special
attention to the rise of class exploitative society.
((((((((
Charles Brown wrote:
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/13/00 12:12AM >>
>
> 1) there has been a basic problem in how marxists use "relative scarcity"
> and "resources" as you do the above. It has implications of an
> anthropocentric negativity marxists seem not to understand. Resources for
> whom? Scarcity because .... what?
>
> ((((((((((
>
> CB: Here's a point on which you might get some attention at the Sierra Club as to
>the significance of materialism. We materialists don't agree with you that we are
>anthropocentric, in any pejorative sense. We think we are correct and you are wrong
>on this issue
>
> ((((((((
>
> 2)looking for the root causes of the environmental AND the economic disaster
> that DOES concern you must begin 10,000 years before the beginnings of
> capitalism. Starting *only* with the industrial revolution or even feudalism
> is misguided and counterproductive if you wish to survive on the planet
> beyond 2100.
>
> ((((((((((
>
> CB: Once again, here is a point at which materialism, historical materialism
>,impinges. Actually, in this case, we agree with you. Our perspective on capitalism
>is based on a theory , historical materialism, which understands it in relation to
>the whole history of humanity, 52, 000 years, or even earlier. We also give special
>attention to the rise of class exploitative society.
>
> ((((((((
>
> Common ground
>
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