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Presidents and "royalty" have been getting bumped off for quite some time. And the 
Kennedy assassination has been the subject of speculation , dramatization and 
allegation for going on three decades. Unless one has a notion that there is a 
threshold at which point these
depictions tip over into some "a-ha" realization among the general public, at home or 
abroad, of what US democracy is,  adn they at that point say, "To the barricades," I 
can't see that emphasis on the tabloid/water cooler/hollywood sort of conspiracy 
scenarios amounts to much
political education or inspiration.

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CB: No,the idea is not to rely on this particular incident alone to inspire people to 
the barricades. It , along with other experiences, (more recently the election in 
Florida) would be hoped to contribute to the undermining of some people's belief in 
the "system". I'm pretty sure that the Kennedy assassination did contribute to a lot 
of people's disillusionment with the system which became the "60's".  

There is no proposal at all for emphasis on this, and certainly not on the tabloid  
reports.  It is just an ordinary  aspect of the capitalist rule, and should be given 
appropriate weight in political discussion. But it shouldn't be ignored or left to the 
tabloids.

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   The beast is so evil that one one hand it tells the world it is the champion of 
democracy, but on the other, when caught out unmasked, it struts around and brags 
about its hardboiled omnipotence. Remember how Nix-inger wanted the Soviets to feel a 
madman was at the Button?
    I'm not knocking continuing identification of the beast as the Problem, but simply 
saying one can go overboard in expecting expose' to do the job of politics. One can 
also think that something big should happen as a result-- that  the masses will stir 
and rise, if they are
treated to dosages of high-powered alarms about what this or that event--a vote fraud, 
an assassination, a tree-cutting, etc.--reveals.
   If the claim is exaggerated or unfounded or unproved, then people actually get 
anesthetized against baying attention to such charges. They begin to sound like the 
ultra right fantasies, with some other Bugaboo replacing the U.N.

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CB: Of course, this dimension can be exaggerated, but I myself, don't discuss it much, 
except in contexts such as this thread,where it is historically relevant context to 
the Florida coup.




Charles Brown wrote:

> It is helpful in undermining the U.S. claim to superior democracy, as is sort of the 
>theme of this thread. It is a glaring example of a defect in U.S. democracy, 
>franchise , etc.
>
> It is very important to emphasize the career of J. Edgar Hoover, as a stock in trade 
>of U.S. selfaggrandizing/anti-communist propaganda is the "secret police" forces in 
>"dictatorships" , the "absence" of which in the U.S. is thereby more evidence of U.S. 
>superior democracy.
>
> It would be pretty difficult to overdescribe an event like the Kennedy assassination 
>which is perhaps the prime publically undeniable example of transition of president 
>without an election or impeachment.
>
> CB
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/11/01 01:39PM >>>
> I don't see how it is helpful to any understanding of US politics to cast the 
>Kennedy assassination as a coup or to speculate on how far the secret police and 
>whoever
> presumably runs them would favor Johnson over Kennedy, etc. To over- describe such 
>an event, including events like the vote corruption in Florida, tends to set lots of 
>folks
> sniffing down the trail of red herrings while the prey luxuriates in its lair.
>
> Charles Brown wrote:
>
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/11/01 12:35PM >>>
> > Charles Brown wrote:
> > > CB: It was not announced as a coup d'etat, but it was in fact a coup
> > > d'etat.
> >
> > Are you saying that Lyndon Johnson authored a coup d'etat?
> >
> > (((((((((((
> >
> > CB: No. Some superiors of the shooters in the CIA ? J. Edgar Hoover's approval for 
>the assassination probably had to be had before hand, if he was not in on the 
>planning.
> >
> > Johnson was acceptable to which ever reactionary section of capital decided to ice 
>Kennedy.
> >
> > By the way, Hoover's as a secret police boss for fifty years, spanning several 
>presidents is another chink in the U.S. democratic mask
> >
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