Dear All, I absolutely agree with Florian.
All best Esther > Florian Kräutli <fkraeu...@mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de> hat am 12. April 2019 um > 12:35 geschrieben: > > Dear Pierre and all, > > I strongly disagree. This is not about the origins of the word but of its > usage and meaning in present day. The CRM should reflect (changing) knowledge > contexts and we as a community should react to and respect developments in > the world, and not decide based on our personal opinions about them. > > I think this should be put up as an issue and I would vote in favour of > either suggestion: dropping ‘man’ or replacing it with ‘human’. > > Best, > > Florian > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 12:13 PM +0200, "Pierre Choffé" > <choffepie...@gmail.com mailto:choffepie...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > Dear all, > > > > This subject is typical of the politically correct attitude of our > > times and most people (including me) generally avoid getting involved in > > such discussions - especially on social media where you would immediately > > get drowned in a flood of insults - and the result is that we have a > > feeling of consensus on the matter. > > > > Now, we as a community might have a different point of view, > > starting with the knowledge we have of the origin of the word "man" (please > > consult the wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_(word) for a > > brief introduction). Can we please avoid this kind of discussions and leave > > it to Twitter and Facebook ? > > > > Et pax in Terra hominibus bonae volontatis... (any woman feeling > > excluded here ?) > > > > Have a nice day, > > Pierre > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 12th, 2019 at 11:2 AM, Athanasios Velios > > <a.vel...@arts.ac.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I support the change of the English labels to: > > > > > > E22 Made Object > > > E25 Made Feature > > > E71 Made Thing > > > > > > And I think this can be proposed as an issue to be voted > > > through the SIG > > > list. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Thanasis > > > > > > > > > On 12/04/2019 05:38, Robert Sanderson wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > On behalf of the Linked Art consortium, I would like to > > > propose that the > > > > labels for E22 Man-Made Object, E25 Man-Made Feature and > > > E71 Man-Made > > > > Thing be changed to drop the unnecessarily gendered “Man-“. > > > In this day > > > > and age, I think we should recognize that inclusion and > > > diversity are > > > > core features of community acceptance, and that including > > > gender-biased > > > > language is alienating. > > > > > > > > Thus the proposal is: E22’s label should be changed to Made > > > Object, E25 > > > > changed to Made Feature and E71 changed to Made Thing. > > > > > > > > The “human” nature of the agent that does the making is > > > explicit in the > > > > ontology, in that only humans or groups there-of can be > > > Actors and carry > > > > out Productions or Creations, so there is no ambiguity > > > about non-humans > > > > making these. > > > > > > > > This issue was discussed at length, and has been open in > > > our profile’s > > > > tracker for 12 months now. We would greatly prefer that it > > > be solved by > > > > changing the labels in the documentation, and thereby in > > > the RDFS, > > > > rather than other RDF specific approaches such as minting > > > new terms and > > > > using owl:sameAs to assert equality, or rebranding only in > > > the JSON-LD > > > > serialization but persisting in other serializations. The > > > change is > > > > consistent, reduces the length of the class names, and is > > > an easy > > > > substitution. The comprehensibility of the label is still > > > the same. > > > > Given the renaming of Collection to Curated Holding, > > > migration of > > > > existing data has the same solution - just substitute the > > > labels. > > > > > > > > As a second choice, if the above is not acceptable, we > > > propose to > > > > instead replace “Man-“ with “Human-“ … only two additional > > > characters, > > > > but a bit more of a mouthful. > > > > > > > > Many thanks for your engagement with this issue! > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Crm-sig mailing list > > > > Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr mailto:Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > > > > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > > > > > > > This email and any attachments are intended solely for the > > > addressee and may contain confidential information. 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