Dear George,

An instance of a property class represents a statement / formal
proposition. Could we thus say that it is also an  E73 Information Object?
Would multiple instantiation provide a solution to the problem you
describe? E.g.:

:painting_sistine_chapel
     crm:P14_carried_out_by :Michelangelo .
*:statement1*
   a crm:PC14_carried_out_by,  *crm:E73_Information_Object* ;
   crm:P01_has_domain :painting_sistine_chapel ;
   crm:P02_has_range :Michelangelo  ;
   crm:P14.1_in_the_role_of  :master_craftsman .
:attrAssign1
   a crm:E13_Attribute_Assignment ;
   crm:P140_assigned_attribute_to *:statement1*
   ... ... ...

Thoughts?

Have a good weekend!

Best,
Pavlos

On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 4:36 PM George Bruseker via Crm-sig <
crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> When using the PC classes modelling structure we end up with a class node
> for a property which we can then modify with things like 'kinds' and
> 'modes' etc.
>
> Since such a statement has meaning and comes from somewhere [e.g.: that
> someone did something in some capacity (PC14 carried out by ... P02 has
> range E39 + P14.1 in the role of E55)] one sometimes needs to provenance
> this statement with an E13 attribute assignment. Ie we want to ground who
> made this claim.
>
> In theory this would be done with E13 pointing to the node in the typical
> fashion (p141, P140). However, the class PC0_Typed_CRM_Property is not
> declared as a subtype of E1 CRM Entity in the PC extension file. As a
> result we cannot do this.
>
> https://cidoc-crm.org/rdfs/7.1.1/CIDOC_CRM_v7.1.1_PC.rdfs
>
> I would argue PC0_Typed_CRM_Property should be declared a subclass of
> E1_CRM_Entity.  Then it would be consistent with the rest of the modelling.
>
> Opinions?
>
> Best,
>
> George
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Pavlos Fafalios

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Centre for Cultural Informatics & Information Systems Laboratory
Institute of Computer Science - FORTH

Visiting Lecturer
Department of Management Science & Technology
Hellenic Mediterranean University

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