Fyi, in a separate email to the Tools PMC mailing list, I have requested the Tools PMC to approve a re-spin of Mars 1 RC4.
Etienne On 23.09.2015, at 11:55, Marcel Bruch <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Etienne, > >> Since then, Buildship has been downloaded about 10’000 times but only 2 >> people reported a problem > > > Well, I think this is not a strong indication for two reasons: > Eclipse-IDE-wide we see more than half a million submitted (automated) error > reports in the last quarter - which boil down to twenty-thousand distinct > problematic locations in source code. Most of them are NullPointerExceptions. > How many of them have been reported before? > I also doubt that many users relate the disappearance of the dialog with > Buildship, thus, rather blame Eclipse than Buildship. It’s a subtile but > annoying bug. > > > Besides that: > * I weight the cost of a respin much lower than the annoyance users might > experience > * I now understand that this issue occurs for Gradle users only (thanks for > explaining) - but for all of them. As of today 10.000 users got affected by > it. From October to February (Mars.1) 10.000 * x users will get affected by > it again. This is a fair amount of users IMHO. > * I assume Buildship would prefer to ship the fixed version (maybe I’m wrong). > > > So far the discussion has been lead by a handful people - which likely is not > representative for all opinions. > If I summarize correctly: David is fine with keeping it "as is“, Mikael > want’s a respin. I second Mikaels position. > Maybe others have no strong feelings or don’t care. > > It’s not on me to push a decision. But I’ve a clear preference - pro our > users and pro Buildship. > > Marcel > > > >> Am 23.09.2015 um 11:28 schrieb Etienne Studer <[email protected]>: >> >> Hi Marcel >> >> Only Buildship users that have launched at least one Gradle task from the >> Tasks View may be affected. And, even then, only two users have reported a >> problem with the workspace prompt so far. >> >> Please note that we introduced the call to bundle.start() on June 6th. Since >> then, Buildship has been downloaded about 10’000 times, but only 2 people >> reported a problem with the workspace prompt (if that serves as any kind of >> indication). >> >> Etienne >> >> >> On 23.09.2015, at 10:11, Marcel Bruch <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I commented on the linked bug and currently strongly disagree with David’s >>> opinion. >>> >>> >>> Short: >>> If every Eclipse user using the Java, Java EE, or RCP/RAP EPP Package is >>> affected by this, then its no doubt a blocker. >>> Then, I vote for a rebuild (and if necessary for postponing the release if >>> necessary - just to make clear how strong I feel about it). >>> >>> If not every Java, Java EE, or RCP/RAP EPP Package user is affected by it, >>> I’d like to understand when this issue occurs - and when it doesn’t. >>> >>> Follow-ups in Bugzilla. >>> Marcel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Am 23.09.2015 um 09:27 schrieb Mickael Istria <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> My favourite NetBeans troll couldn't miss this opportunity >>>> https://twitter.com/ehsavoie/status/646583406176960512 >>>> Tha and my regular chats with various IDE users (I spend a few hours >>>> monthly trying to convince IntelliJ and NetBeans users that Eclipse IDE >>>> isn't that bad) make me feel that this issue is "reputation busting >>>> embarrassing". At least, I don't know how I could keep on evangelizing >>>> about Eclipse IDE if our community is OK to ship a major bug in a high >>>> visible project to its users. >>>> The bar of quality expectation has raised, IntelliJ and NetBeans are doing >>>> a great job, shipping applications that seem mostly bug-free. 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