On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 03:43:50PM +0000, bill billy wrote: > > A. Discord does not data-mine. That's not how VC-funded startups work. At the > moment Discord isn't concerned about finding a main source of revenue. > They're funded by several investors, which wouldn't be funding Discord if it > sold user data. Yes, it does share aggregate user data with partners such as > Twitch, but this is for purely marketing purposes. Discord isn't Facebook. >
don't believe it. Its uneeded garbage lookig for suckers > B. If you are concerned with how much info Discord has on you, then just > go to your Discord settings > privacy and safety > request data and see for > yourself. > > Nobody it suggesting a switch FROM irc, just a bridge to make it more > accessible to new people who are more familiar with modern software. > Your suggestion to abolish the Forums however is frankly ridiculous and > indicates to me that you want the community to be even more exclusive. > Crossfire will not experience meaningful growth if nothing is ever allowed to > change. If the goal is to keep this project and community just as it's been > for coming up on 20 years, mission accomplished. What do you think will > happen if Discord is bridged to irc? Really what could possibly happen to you > that wouldn't have already happened to hundreds of millions world-wide and > been widely reported? > "It is too bad that this current generation has been dragged around on their > cellphones" You sound as if you're parodying anti-tech conspiracy > theorists.This game needs:1) Community Involvement2) Community Fundingand 3) > Initiatives to Grow said Community in the futureDoes threatening to leave the > community over attempts at becoming more accessibly help anybody or anything? > > On Thursday, February 7, 2019, 10:31:40 AM EST, Ruben Safir > <ru...@mrbrklyn.com> wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 03, 2019 at 04:47:43PM -0500, Nathaniel Kipps wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 9:21 PM Ruben Safir <ru...@mrbrklyn.com> wrote: > > > > > I see great reasons to end web based forums.. > > > > > > > > Can you give some of these reasons? I'd love to hear them. > > > > > > They depend on a browser, they spy on you, they are not quick, they > > > don't integrate with my email client, I can't run them from a shell, > > > they are a security nightmare, they don't allow for smother > > > communications .... etc etc etc. > > > > Let's not be too hasty here. After all, those are perfectly valid > > reasons, but they are only reasons why *you* choose not to use those > > communication methods, and not reasons to get rid of them entirely. > > > Actually, those are all reasons to get rid of them entirely. It is too > bad that this current generation has been dragged around on their > cellphones and data steeling aps that aren't really more than slashdot > analogs, but I don't suffer any such difficency of vission. > > Slack and Discord are crap spying and data collection tools that is > inadequate compared to my email client for spinning discussion. > > They are insecure and tools for spying and break privacy. > > Other than that, they provide zero benifits over email lists and IRC. > > The problem here is in perception and being used to OSes where > using more than one desktop at a time, or even one window at a time, is > a major complication. I suffer from none of that, and those things I > listed are factual problems and not an opinion. > > It would be fun to have an IRC channel inside of crossfire's clients, > but it is wholing uneeded if the client plays wells with others on the > desktop, which newer versions are finding more difficult to do... > > I am perfectly capable of playing with an IRC client sitting right on > the desktop. > > > o > > follow the same argument, I could say that we should end the IRC > > because "it depends on specialized client software, it doesn't let me > > smoothly integrate images and video into the chat, I can't run it from > > my phone, and it makes it very hard for non-savvy people to > > communicate." Remember, the systems that the CF community uses to > > communicate are there for the benefit of all community members, and it > > is up to the entire community to make reasonable accommodations so > > that we exclude as few people as possible. Just because some people do > > not wish to use a specific communication channel does not mean that > > the project should not endorse it. > > > > And so, the issue we are trying to address here is that there is a > > division between the members of the crossfire community. There are > > some that prefer and are very familiar with IRC, but have issues with > > using other methods of instant chat, and there are those that prefer > > more modern systems like Slack and Discord, but have issues with older > > chat systems like IRC. As it currently is, it does not entirely make > > sense to use IRC only, or to use Slack/Discord only, as we will be > > alienating people either way. That is why I am proposing that we have > > a way of bridging the two, so as to best serve both types of community > > users, and ensure the gap between "IRC people" and "non-IRC people" > > does not continue to widen. Of course, a bridge like this will almost > > certainly require some kind of sacrifice on both sides of the fence, > > the true question is whether the expanded accessibility is worth the > > additional sacrifice. > > > > More specifically, the two primary areas that would "sacrifice" are A) > > the IRC chat messages would be sent to a third party, and could be > > read by and responded to by members that are not on IRC, and B) the > > message history in the "other" chat system would most likely be > > limited, so users of that system would not be able to easily > > scrollback to their heart's content, as they are accustomed to. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > (P.S. Ruben, perhaps I should clarify that I'm not trying to attack > > your perspective, only point out that it's a personal choice, and I > > don't think it should be a guiding principle for the project) > > > > (That being said, I do hope that everyone on this list continues to > > respond with their own comments and opinions.) > > > > --DraugTheWhopper > > _______________________________________________ > > crossfire mailing list > > crossfire@metalforge.org > > http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire > > -- > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town > that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological > proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 > http://www.mrbrklyn.com > > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive > http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! > http://www.brooklyn-living.com > > Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, > but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 > > _______________________________________________ > crossfire mailing list > crossfire@metalforge.org > http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire > > _______________________________________________ > crossfire mailing list > crossfire@metalforge.org > http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 _______________________________________________ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
