I agree... Discord helps keep gaming communities together. Not worth arguing 
about. It's an excellent forum to discuss program ideas, the i tended purpose. 
If youre worried about the spy state- keep the bomb discussions to minimal and 
we should all be safe from the swat teams and holocusts.
-------- Original message --------From: Ruben Safir <ru...@mrbrklyn.com> Date: 
2/7/19  2:09 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Crossfire Discussion Mailing List 
<crossfire@metalforge.org> Subject: Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability 
with a chat bridge On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 03:43:50PM +0000, bill billy wrote:> 
 > A. Discord does not data-mine. That's not how VC-funded startups work. At 
the moment Discord isn't concerned about finding a main source of revenue. 
They're funded by several investors, which wouldn't be funding Discord if it 
sold user data. Yes, it does share aggregate user data with partners such as 
Twitch, but this is for purely marketing purposes. Discord isn't Facebook. > 
don't believe it.  Its uneeded garbage lookig for suckers>    B.  If you are 
concerned with how much info Discord has on you, then just go to your Discord 
settings > privacy and safety > request data and see for yourself.> > Nobody it 
suggesting a switch FROM irc, just a bridge to make it more accessible to new 
people who are more familiar with modern software. > Your suggestion to abolish 
the Forums however is frankly ridiculous and indicates to me that you want the 
community to be even more exclusive.> Crossfire will not experience meaningful 
growth if nothing is ever allowed to change. If the goal is to keep this 
project and community just as it's been for coming up on 20 years, mission 
accomplished. What do you think will happen if Discord is bridged to irc? 
Really what could possibly happen to you that wouldn't have already happened to 
hundreds of millions world-wide and been widely reported?> "It is too bad that 
this current generation has been dragged around on their cellphones" You sound 
as if you're parodying anti-tech conspiracy theorists.This game needs:1) 
Community Involvement2) Community Fundingand 3) Initiatives to Grow said 
Community in the futureDoes threatening to leave the community over attempts at 
becoming more accessibly help anybody or anything?> >     On Thursday, February 
7, 2019, 10:31:40 AM EST, Ruben Safir <ru...@mrbrklyn.com> wrote:  >  >  On 
Sun, Feb 03, 2019 at 04:47:43PM -0500, Nathaniel Kipps wrote:> > On Sat, Feb 2, 
2019 at 9:21 PM Ruben Safir <ru...@mrbrklyn.com> wrote:> > > > > I see great 
reasons to end web based forums..> > > >> > > > Can you give some of these 
reasons? I'd love to hear them.> > >> > > They depend on  a browser, they spy 
on you, they are not quick, they> > > don't integrate with my email client, I 
can't run them from a shell,> > > they are a security nightmare, they don't 
allow for smother> > > communications .... etc etc etc.> > > > Let's not be too 
hasty here. After all, those are perfectly valid> > reasons, but they are only 
reasons why *you* choose not to use those> > communication methods, and not 
reasons to get rid of them entirely. > > > Actually, those are all reasons to 
get rid of them entirely.  It is too> bad that this current generation has been 
dragged around on their> cellphones and data steeling aps that aren't really 
more than slashdot> analogs, but I don't suffer any such difficency of 
vission.> > Slack and Discord are crap spying and data collection tools that 
is> inadequate compared to my email client for spinning discussion.> > They are 
insecure and tools for spying and break privacy.> > Other than that, they 
provide zero benifits over email lists and IRC.> > The problem here is in 
perception and being used to OSes where> using more than one desktop at a time, 
or even one window at a time, is> a major complication.  I suffer from none of 
that, and those things I> listed are factual problems and not an opinion.> > It 
would be fun to have an IRC channel inside of crossfire's clients,> but it is 
wholing uneeded if the client plays wells with others on the> desktop, which 
newer versions are finding more difficult to do...> > I am perfectly capable of 
playing with an IRC client sitting right on> the desktop.> > > o> > follow the 
same argument, I could say that we should end the IRC> > because "it depends on 
specialized client software, it doesn't let me> > smoothly integrate images and 
video into the chat, I can't run it from> > my phone, and it makes it very hard 
for non-savvy people to> > communicate." Remember, the systems that the CF 
community uses to> > communicate are there for the benefit of all community 
members, and it> > is up to the entire community to make reasonable 
accommodations so> > that we exclude as few people as possible. Just because 
some people do> > not wish to use a specific communication channel does not 
mean that> > the project should not endorse it.> > > > And so, the issue we are 
trying to address here is that there is a> > division between the members of 
the crossfire community. There are> > some that prefer and are very familiar 
with IRC, but have issues with> > using other methods of instant chat, and 
there are those that prefer> > more modern systems like Slack and Discord, but 
have issues with older> > chat systems like IRC. As it currently is, it does 
not entirely make> > sense to use IRC only, or to use Slack/Discord only, as we 
will be> > alienating people either way. That is why I am proposing that we 
have> > a way of bridging the two, so as to best serve both types of community> 
> users, and ensure the gap between "IRC people" and "non-IRC people"> > does 
not continue to widen. Of course, a bridge like this will almost> > certainly 
require some kind of sacrifice on both sides of the fence,> > the true question 
is whether the expanded accessibility is worth the> > additional sacrifice.> > 
> > More specifically, the two primary areas that would "sacrifice" are A)> > 
the IRC chat messages would be sent to a third party, and could be> > read by 
and responded to by members that are not on IRC, and B) the> > message history 
in the "other" chat system would most likely be> > limited, so users of that 
system would not be able to easily> > scrollback to their heart's content, as 
they are accustomed to.> > > > Thoughts?> > > > (P.S. Ruben, perhaps I should 
clarify that I'm not trying to attack> > your perspective, only point out that 
it's a personal choice, and I> > don't think it should be a guiding principle 
for the project)> > > > (That being said, I do hope that everyone on this list 
continues to> > respond with their own comments and opinions.)> > > > 
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