It goes way deeper than this. Advertisements allow communities to grow beyond
what I consider healthy. Call me old fashion, but In my opinion online gaming
(for hlds/scrds games) was a much, much better experience prior to ads and
quick-play.
The numbers are quite simple, using Niko as example. What do you think would
provide a better experience to gamers, 1 community hosting 109 servers, or 50
communities hosting 2 servers each with their own views and values?
Choice is what we had on offer.
The big guys are the only ones profiting from the current model. It’s extremely
harmful to smaller clans and communities who barely stand a chance against it.
Saint K.
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ejziponken -
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 12:32 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Latest steam update broke the webkit in-game
I kinda agree with you. If you dont like ads when you surf the internet you use
adblocker for your browser. If you dont like ads on game-servers, you change
server.
If you do like the community and want to support them you can change the filter
in the adblocker to allow ads showing for that community. Thats what I do. I
know the community Im a part of needs the ad money so I dont use adblocker on
that site. Its my choice and the players have the same choice.
You dont have to agree about ads in MOTD. Just accept that its a good and
working solution for some and others not.
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 00:22:40 +0100
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Latest steam update broke the webkit in-game
You’re trying to tell me how to run a community, yet I run one since 2009.
My servers have been ranked top1 for long periods and my best server is still
ranked 9th worldwide.
Here are some of the servers we host for my community, my secondary community
and our clients (that don’t pay a single cent to run the servers):
https://scrn.storni.info/2015-12-15_00-11-3450.png
We guarantee to each of our 109 running servers the best uptime possible, low
latency, stable framerate, availability in America and Europe and DDoS
protection.
My forum (https://forum.elite-hunterz.info/forum.php) has “only” 2514 members
and we received donations for more than 4000€ during the past years.
I know how to run a community, and my community is very happy at the current
state.
I still think you’re wrong and selfish for telling others how to run a
community JUST because your strategy works.
In real life there is not just ONE strategy, there are many. Look at Google,
running one of the biggest empires out there JUST with ads.
Then look at apple, running another empire by overcharging customers.
Or look at Finland, taxing the hell out of people but giving them paid
education, free healthcare and much more, then look at the US having low taxes
but more complementary services that you can pay for.
My point is that yes, your strategy might work, but there are other strategies
out there and we’re free to use them as long as we have players playing on our
servers and they accept them.
Best regards,
Niko
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Saint K.
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 12:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Latest steam update broke the webkit in-game
Let me run it down real quick for you.
People would donate (and still do, by the way) for the experience of having a
nice home to play their games at. Providing the server is just one of the few
things you do as game-community host. Besides the server, you organize things
to do for your community members, things such as tournaments, playnights, etc.
Together you build a clan or community based on your values of life. This also
created a wide diversity among the communities and clans, everyone had a place
to go to feel home. Some clans and communities were all about serious stuff,
competitions, etc. Others about just fun. Some were about specific types of
people finding a place together. Together you build your community including
your servers. And by building this you gain supporters, people willing to pay a
few bucks a month to chip in for any cost.
That is how you run a community or clan based on group funding instead of
adwhoring your servers. This is how you create and maintain a healthy community
around games (such examples, gladly, are still around. Just look at the
hostable games which don’t include the option for ads. The communities around
those games are much healthier, the servers are much more enjoyable and you get
to bond as group much faster as well)
Saint K.
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 12:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Latest steam update broke the webkit in-game
Willing to pay for what?
Nowadays anything “cool” is illegal or not worth donating for.
You tell me how much of a content on surf servers can be provided for money.
Plus, on top of frequent players, there are a lot of new players that just come
for a while, then disconnect and show up after only weeks. These will never
donate any money but they still use my services.
For example I run several 24/7 surf servers that only play one map. Why?
Because players want to be able to surf without interruptions on a single map.
What am I supposed to do if I want to serve 10 different maps both in EU and
US?
If you enjoy serving these servers with either loss or no gain at all then I’m
happy for you. In my case I am a university student and even going to Mc
Donald’s is something I have to be careful with since money doesn’t grow on
trees in my country, therefore I see advertising as a very optimal solution to
my problems. You don’t like it? Feel free to black list my servers. But don’t
come judging us for our financial strategy.
Back on topic: there was a steam update about an hour ago, however that didn’t
fix the issue.
BR,
Niko
Also @Neuro, while I agree, I think you just contributed to the spam using that
tone.
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