Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
> Administration wrote:
>
>   
>> When testing in FF and Opera . the background would not repeat / 
>> column widths are erratic / column lengths are erratic / top 
>> navigation is not staying within the <div id="wrapper">
>>
>> http://www.kenomultimedia.com.au/
>>     
>
>   
>> I did ask for help on the list and Ingo Chao replied with..
>>
>> "Understanding CSS-concepts like floating is easier if you start 
>> creating your site in FF or Opera." After several attempts I still 
>> haven't managed to get the image to repeat in FF and Opera.
>>     
>
> Ingo was perfectly right. IE is pulling tricks on you with all its bugs
> and non-standard behavior, so make it work in the standard-compliant
> browsers first and fix IE later.
>
>   
>> I have since created another main page, this time to suit FF 1.5 and 
>> Opera 9.0 and this time I have used an image and color individually 
>> for the columns.
>>     
>
> That's the wrong approach for that layout, so I'll focus on making your
> original page cross-browser reliable...
>
> <http://www.kenomultimedia.com.au/>
>
> To make the background stretch to contain floats in standard-compliant
> browsers, you have to feed them some standard properties in the right
> places.
> I'll choose to establish a new 'block formatting context'[1] by adding...
> #page {float: left;}
> ...which makes that container expand properly, with background and all,
> in all browsers.
>
> Then I'll add...
> ul#nav {padding: 0;}
> ...since both Firefox and Opera9 have default paddings on lists - making
> that top navigation too wide. IE has default margins on lists, and you
> have already taken care of those.
>
> That should be it - unless I have overlooked something.
>
>   
>> Just hoping someone on the list could help me out here .. I think I 
>> may have to go back to basics and start again.
>>     
>
> No need. Just keep on building on what you've got, and keep on learning.
>
>   
>> Is it possible to have on the same website, separate linked or import
>>  style sheets to suit different browsers, as I have never heard of 
>> this before ..
>>     
>
> You can use 'conditional comments'[2] to feed separate stylesheets to
> IE-win - if you have to.
> No such solution for other browsers, and there's rarely a need for
> separate styles to make the more standard-compliant browsers get in
> line. Try giving them a complete set of styles first, to even out any
> major differences.
>
> regards
>       Georg
>
> [1]http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#q15
> [2]http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_1_02_01.html#item2
>   

Thank you Georg for your invaluable help ...

http://www.kenomultimedia.com.au/
http://www.kenomultimedia.com.au/keno.css


I now have a few more problems, not sure what I have done or haven't done here 
...
but maybe a fresh pair of eyes can help me sort this mess out  :-)


IE6 ......  margin/padding problem with the header:
'...... a website business that means business for your website' 

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FF 1.5 ......  margin/padding problem with the header:
'...... a website business that means business for your website'

When navigating 5 of the 7 site pages are skipping to the left..
or is it 2 are skipping to the right (the Home and Accessibility pages) 

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Opera 9.02 ......  margin/padding problem with the header:
'...... a website business that means business for your website'

When navigating 5 of the 7 site pages are skipping to the left..
or is it 2 are skipping to the right (the Home and Accessibility pages) 

also there is a 2-3px gap beneath each image in the l-r columns.

l-hand column, vertical spacing/column height erratic.

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Font sizing seems to be rendering differently over the 3 browsers
 
h4 tag . sub headings differing from page to page

Thanks in advance,

Keno ...






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