Hi JJ: > Now I'd really like to get up to speed on CSS but everytime I start to get > into it, it seems like, "oh to make that work in that browser I'll need this > work around, or it's going to do this or that". > > That sucks!!! Is there no logic here?
No, there's logic there. :) Other people have recommended reading the specs and that's probably a good idea, but I admit they were too much for me, originally. Maybe with your programming background they would come easier. An easier read is Eric Meyer's (listMom) Cascading Style Sheet (an O'Reilly book). > So is sticking to the "CSS High Road" like being in Mad Max and wanting to > drive a car. "Yeah there're cool but there's no gas for 100 miles and if you > want parts you'll have to kill someone for them! Oh yeah and watch out for > the guy on the helicopter thing with the snakes!!!" > > What do YOU (plural) do? What do I do? I study the information first, the html, and decide what markup to do, what makes sense information-wise. Then I mark up the main divisions, put a background color in and make sure it all fits together. and, as opposed to the conceived wisdom, I work mainly in firefox or mozilla but i check at this point to make sure IE is reading it right, if not, its easier to make adjustments or figure out what's going on - mainly because I don't have all the formatting styles in yet, cluttering up my css. Then I start putting in the detail. Mainly I don't do anything special for IE (i've used conditional comments some but not all the time) and I've done stuff much more complicated than google. ;) just when it has to be absolutely pixel perfect have i used conditional comments. > Do you say, "I'm sticking ot standards, piss on your browser if it doesn't > look good!"? > Your clients will like that. no, you always have to pay attention to IE, its a fact of life, and at this point I don't mind it - I sorta feel sorry for IE sometimes, actually. and really, it hasn't been a real big deal. firefox and mozilla have their quirks, too. at least with mozilla i ran into one recently and had to ask for help here and got it really fast. > Do you go bonkers (or spend a ton of time) learning the work arounds so that > instead of a specialist in CSS you become a specialist in the work arounds > that hopefully will be gone in a few years?!?! well, if I run into something I need help with I just turn to this list! I'll be forever grateful for some of the help I've gotten here. > I'd really like to get good with CSS, even REALLY good, I totally intrigued > by them, as much as programming. I'm not a programmer but it does feel to me sometimes like css is akin to programming. I think it helped me that I always used a text editor. > It just feels hiking in deep mud,.. WAY too much work. I need to earn a > living here. It may be a bit much work, but I can tell you want to do it! About a year and a half ago is when I became disgusted with my html and determined to learn css positioning (had used the formatting bit for quite a while). It took me most of last year to learn enough to feel fairly comfortable, but then, maybe I'm a slow learner, too. I think others, maybe with different background, can pick it up faster. Don't know if you're inclined or have the time but I did learn a lot from the css classes at International Webmasters. For me a class brought all the information together in a structured way that really helped. > I need a pep talk! I hope I was peppy enough! oh, i'm sure you probably know about the webdev toolbar, there is another extension that i wouldn't be without. The Tidy extension http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/ it sets in the bottom of the browser window with a pretty green icon. if you make an error, turns to a yellow exclamation mark. i'm constantly checking with that as i go and it means i immediately catch things, really helps. it doesn't take the place of validation through the w3c, and that shouldn't wait until the end, but its faster and easier to use in a "continuous manner". cheers Donna > > Thanks, > JJ > ______________________________________________________________________ > css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d > IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 > List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ > Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > -- Donna Jones Portland, Maine 207 772 0266 http://www.westendwebs.com/ ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
