“we think at the
end-of-the-day-like-a-machine”
A machine that can think.. wow! Ignorance
is bliss!
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Java Mad
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006
10:08 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: Java
Developer needed
You not getting the point Doc....
what im saying at technikons they dont teach you
technologies
They teach you to FIND THE PROBLEMS AND FIX THE
PROBLEMS firstly
How to design software using psuedo, flowchart, ERD,
Nazzi Sneiderman Charts
the works.... looking at program flow.... analysing
problems
and then we use these skills we learned there and
proving it right with Different Technologies
Which therefore expose you to different languages....
That that means that you can relate to ne language for
example
its Syntax.... becos i was exposed in my first year in
Pascal
i found the syntax easy in VB but didnt understand the
concept of VB
when i understood VB i found it easy do develop in
_javascript_
wheter it is for the Netscape or IE or other browser
DOM using DHTML;
Becos i also did and proved and solved solution in C i
found object orientation programming in JAVA, C++ easy becos of syntax and
style....
Thats what i was saying... we are more TECHNICALLY
EQUIPPED i.e
- promblem identifications, solutions and research
- using different tools to solve problems
- we think at the end-of-the-day-like-a-machine
"Dr Heinz M.
Kabutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think that the greatest
benefit of university is that you get your arrogance hit out of you in the
first semester....
Kind
regards from
Heinz
--
Dr. Heinz M. Kabutz (Maximum Solutions)
Sun Java
Champion
Author of "The Java(tm) Specialists' Newsletter"
<http://www.javaspecialists.co.za/>
Tel: +27 (83) 340-5633
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Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On
Behalf Of Java Mad
Sent: 16 February 2006 09:23
To: [email protected]
Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: Java
Developer needed
You see there Heinz!
Nicely said Fritz....
So we from tech and college are more marketable....
plus dont eva say that the point of learning to learn
is to learn yorself
neway...You see the difference what i think between
Universities and Technikon,Colleges is this
Universities : Go there and just do THEORY,RESEARCH
pass get degreed
and be a zero when you find a job......
Now when you get the job... you find it difficult to relate to programming
And get a easy job.... become an Analyst or Project Manager
Technikons/Colleges : Now they are the WORKING HORSES
of the INDUSTRY
he you go and they teach or you learn
THEORY,PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES, RESEARCH,
and yes im doing research in my BTECH year.
get an National Diploma enter the marketplace
And
be a BOMB why... becos we were thought to
FIND THE SOLUTION AND TO FIX THE PROBLEM,
NOT TO DO RESEARCH ON WHY THE PROBLEM EXIST.
and afer a while we become ANALYST/DEV or more so
GMail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I am just starting my honours degree
in ComSci at UCT; no they didn't ever teach us HTML or any scripting language
as part of our 3 year undergraduate degree, but yes, they expected us to
use them. As for AWT and Swing, we got about a week of teaching on
them in first year, and since then we have had to use them in various projects.
All the other web-based stuff, well, we spent about six weeks on the
theory, and then had to do a (admittedly small) project that put it all into
practise.
The point of a Comsci degree does
not appear to be to learn about technologies. It instead seems to be
"learning how to learn". I don't think there is anyone who
graduated with me last year who does not know how to program; but we
would (will) all have to spend some time getting to our feet in the
marketplace. Give them two months to get to grips with the things they
haven't seen before, and the skills they learned at University will prove far
more useful than having spent three years boning up on the super-practical
stuff you are talking about.
PS. This is not to say that these
skills cannot be learned outside of university. Merely to say that there is a
point to what I've spent the last three years of my life doing
better in theory and research yes;
met
up with a guy from university in a web development environment
and
he struggle to find out how JSP work let again didnt even know ne HTML
well
my side i was thought a whole lot of practical stuff like
HTML,Java, Applets, ASP ("oops")
and
from ASP i could relate to JSP
and from
Applets i could relate to Servlets
so what do
they teach at Universities
public static
void main(String[] args) {
System.out.prinln("i will geuss");
// probs the apps that
run in a DOS window
// or do they teach AWT and
SWING stuff
}
michael
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
IMO, passing comsci at University level is not a necessary nor a
sufficient condition for making one a good programmer.
I can remember at Uni (I went to Natal-Durban), I used to cringe when
we were assigned group work, because I knew that most of the work would
be done by a few because the rest just wouldn't
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