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Mister moderator, do you agree? Yes Brian ... that means you. ;) Regards, Antoine -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] on behalf of Java Mad Sent: Thu 2/16/2006 10:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: Java Developer needed I think you definately have to learn more :-) havent you watch that movie of Stephen Spielberg AI(Artifical Intellegence) And if you say that is impossibile in the future i guess you in the wrong career. Makes me think how some computers can differentaite between colors,positions etc.... and if you can solve this : "Time flies like an arrow" & "Fruit flies like bananas" you an instant millionaire? cos from this day on we would like the computer to distinquis between the two Leon van der Merwe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "we think at the end-of-the-day-like-a-machine" A machine that can think.. wow! Ignorance is bliss! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Java Mad Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: Java Developer needed You not getting the point Doc.... what im saying at technikons they dont teach you technologies They teach you to FIND THE PROBLEMS AND FIX THE PROBLEMS firstly How to design software using psuedo, flowchart, ERD, Nazzi Sneiderman Charts the works.... looking at program flow.... analysing problems and then we use these skills we learned there and proving it right with Different Technologies Which therefore expose you to different languages.... That that means that you can relate to ne language for example its Syntax.... becos i was exposed in my first year in Pascal i found the syntax easy in VB but didnt understand the concept of VB when i understood VB i found it easy do develop in JavaScript wheter it is for the Netscape or IE or other browser DOM using DHTML; Becos i also did and proved and solved solution in C i found object orientation programming in JAVA, C++ easy becos of syntax and style.... Thats what i was saying... we are more TECHNICALLY EQUIPPED i.e - promblem identifications, solutions and research - using different tools to solve problems - we think at the end-of-the-day-like-a-machine "Dr Heinz M. Kabutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think that the greatest benefit of university is that you get your arrogance hit out of you in the first semester.... Kind regards from Heinz -- Dr. Heinz M. Kabutz (Maximum Solutions) Sun Java Champion Author of "The Java(tm) Specialists' Newsletter" <http://www.javaspecialists.co.za/> Tel: +27 (83) 340-5633 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Java Mad Sent: 16 February 2006 09:23 To: [email protected] Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: Java Developer needed You see there Heinz! Nicely said Fritz.... So we from tech and college are more marketable.... plus dont eva say that the point of learning to learn is to learn yorself neway...You see the difference what i think between Universities and Technikon,Colleges is this Universities : Go there and just do THEORY,RESEARCH pass get degreed and be a zero when you find a job...... Now when you get the job... you find it difficult to relate to programming And get a easy job.... become an Analyst or Project Manager Technikons/Colleges : Now they are the WORKING HORSES of the INDUSTRY he you go and they teach or you learn THEORY,PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES, RESEARCH, and yes im doing research in my BTECH year. get an National Diploma enter the marketplace And be a BOMB why... becos we were thought to FIND THE SOLUTION AND TO FIX THE PROBLEM, NOT TO DO RESEARCH ON WHY THE PROBLEM EXIST. and afer a while we become ANALYST/DEV or more so PROJ MAN GMail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Java Mad, I am just starting my honours degree in ComSci at UCT; no they didn't ever teach us HTML or any scripting language as part of our 3 year undergraduate degree, but yes, they expected us to use them. As for AWT and Swing, we got about a week of teaching on them in first year, and since then we have had to use them in various projects. All the other web-based stuff, well, we spent about six weeks on the theory, and then had to do a (admittedly small) project that put it all into practise. The point of a Comsci degree does not appear to be to learn about technologies. It instead seems to be "learning how to learn". I don't think there is anyone who graduated with me last year who does not know how to program; but we would (will) all have to spend some time getting to our feet in the marketplace. Give them two months to get to grips with the things they haven't seen before, and the skills they learned at University will prove far more useful than having spent three years boning up on the super-practical stuff you are talking about. Regards, Fritz Meissner PS. This is not to say that these skills cannot be learned outside of university. Merely to say that there is a point to what I've spent the last three years of my life doing ;-). I said { better in theory and research yes; met up with a guy from university in a web development environment and he struggle to find out how JSP work let again didnt even know ne HTML well my side i was thought a whole lot of practical stuff like HTML,Java, Applets, ASP ("oops") and from ASP i could relate to JSP and from Applets i could relate to Servlets so what do they teach at Universities public static void main(String[] args) { System.out.prinln("i will geuss"); } // probs the apps that run in a DOS window // or do they teach AWT and SWING stuff so please tell me that } michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMO, passing comsci at University level is not a necessary nor a sufficient condition for making one a good programmer. I can remember at Uni (I went to Natal-Durban), I used to cringe when we were assigned group work, because I knew that most of the work would be done by a few because the rest just wouldn't --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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